City & FFP | 2020/21 Accounts released | Revenues of £569.8m, £2.4m profit (p 2395)

Matty said:
Why on earth is Arsenal's commercial revenue so piss poor comparatively?! In the 2013/14 season the commercial revenue figures looked as follows:-
United - £189m
City - £166m
Chelsea - £113m
Liverpool - £104m
Arsenal - £77m

For a London based club, with a load of tarquin types supporting them, and a regular spot at the top of the league seemingly guaranteed each season, how are they so far adrift of all the other major English sides? They even bring in less commercially than AC Milan, Dortmund and Schalke!!
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They've been locked into their current shirt and stadium deals since 2006 which hasn't helped them as the market value for both now would probably see that figure grow by £40m but it's still piss poor, I can only think that (a) Wenger doesn't see it as overly important and it's fallen under his remit or (b) they quite simply haven't had any big enough names playing for them over the last while to attract many lucrative blue chip sponsors.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
But think of all the empty blue seats we would fill;)

I'm 41, I hope and reckon that I have a good 35-odd years of seeing us win everything in sight, many times over.

It will balance the 35 years, beforehand.

Call me an idealist, but I think we will be a lot closer to United's current Premier League trophies than anyone could dare have envisaged? One every couple of seasons should fit the timeline.

Barring nuclear war or Sheikh Mansour getting bored, obviously.
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I think you are 100% correct.

As an even older fart, the new expansion has actually given me as much of a boost as everything else, as I have kind of taken for granted that we would always be competing for titles, but I was finding the 'matchday experience' & bit like a trip to the threatre. It really has changed the acoustics of the place, & with the great efforts of the 1894 group,even though I'm closer to the other end, it's becoming a really great place to enjoy watching the fantastic football on offer, rather than just a passive environment. I was kind of 'bored' with the ground, just purely went because it's what I've always done, & the team is great, but I was thinking I might give it up eventually & become an armchair gloryhunter. But now I'm actually looking forward to being in the ground again.

I actually think that, in itself, is a money earner, as it makes the Etihad a place you want to be, rather than just a place to watch Silva etc. As it gets bigger, so hopefully the atmosphere will continue to increase & the Etihad will become an iconic place to watch football, thus increase revenue even further.
 
Chris in London said:
Not when the English clubs were hoovering up

Liverpool 1977, 1978
Forest 1979, 1980
Liverpool 1981
Villa 1982
Liverpool 1984

Bayern's moment of greatness had passed, which is sort of my point

(Not to mention that they cheated to beat Leeds in 1975 but that's another story)
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Yes, I remember Leeds had their goal disallowed, for no discernible reason, by Franz Beckenbauer.
 
Neville Kneville said:
Also looks like the rags & maybe one or two others will be on a huge splurge next season when the tv money increase etc comes in, so City have done brilliantly to now sign up two of, what would have been, the most sought after players, in next season's summer window. Sterling & DeBruyne are going to look seriously cheap when rags & probably Chelsea, go on the panic splurge next season. Rags will be chucking money at Real Madrid again, hoping some of it sticks.

We won't really need anybody desperately, but will probably just pick up one big one, probably centre mid, which Txiki will have boxed off by January.
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Pogba, I reckon.
 
Neville Kneville said:
I think you are 100% correct.

As an even older fart, the new expansion has actually given me as much of a boost as everything else, as I have kind of taken for granted that we would always be competing for titles, but I was finding the 'matchday experience' & bit like a trip to the threatre. It really has changed the acoustics of the place, & with the great efforts of the 1894 group,even though I'm closer to the other end, it's becoming a really great place to enjoy watching the fantastic football on offer, rather than just a passive environment. I was kind of 'bored' with the ground, just purely went because it's what I've always done, & the team is great, but I was thinking I might give it up eventually & become an armchair gloryhunter. But now I'm actually looking forward to being in the ground again.

I actually think that, in itself, is a money earner, as it makes the Etihad a place you want to be, rather than just a place to watch Silva etc. As it gets bigger, so hopefully the atmosphere will continue to increase & the Etihad will become an iconic place to watch football, thus increase revenue even further.
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Top post. I agree, the extension to the South Stand has brought with it a whole new buzz around the stadium. Not speaking from an atmosphere point of view as I haven't had chance to go yet this season, but just in terms of bringing back some excitement - I can't wait to get down there ASAP!
 
Neville Kneville said:
I think you are 100% correct.

As an even older fart, the new expansion has actually given me as much of a boost as everything else, as I have kind of taken for granted that we would always be competing for titles, but I was finding the 'matchday experience' & bit like a trip to the threatre. It really has changed the acoustics of the place, & with the great efforts of the 1894 group,even though I'm closer to the other end, it's becoming a really great place to enjoy watching the fantastic football on offer, rather than just a passive environment. I was kind of 'bored' with the ground, just purely went because it's what I've always done, & the team is great, but I was thinking I might give it up eventually & become an armchair gloryhunter. But now I'm actually looking forward to being in the ground again.

I actually think that, in itself, is a money earner, as it makes the Etihad a place you want to be, rather than just a place to watch Silva etc. As it gets bigger, so hopefully the atmosphere will continue to increase & the Etihad will become an iconic place to watch football, thus increase revenue even further.
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beautifully put sir....As a season ticket holder from Brian Horton days until the Pearce era....I also found may match day experience declining in enjoyment..... never got the same buzz as I did at Maine road ( in fact if I think about it....it was never the same since the kippax went all seater ) I have still been to games ( about 3/4 per season ) every season - but now I have bought one of the new value season tickets ( mainly on the back off everyone saying how good the atmosphere now is etc ) - and for the first time in ages I am actually getting a buzz about going to the game again.

Don't get me wrong always had a buzz watching City - but the buzz was the same whether it was at the game or on TV.
 
blue b4 the moon said:
Excellent from Swissramble, this should be read by ALL media and supporters.

Just one thing, City's UK share from the CL increased due to Celtic ducking out? The piece doesn't make it clear but I assume that's TV money from the UK rather than UEFA cash?
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He's just sent me this:
http://m.stv.tv/sport/football/club...-222m-in-champions-league-payments-from-uefa/

Which would suggest any qualifying Scottish club get 10% of an overall UK pool instead of it being split by association which would be strange after reading UEFAs own statements on it but he could be right.
 
the only thing that i don't agree with this article is the wages of delph sterling and kdb no way delph is on 100k/week more like 60/65k and i don't think the basic wages of sterling are higher than 140/150k + performance bonuses..
 
aguero93:20 said:
I think it's begun to slow down TV money aside, but the timing is perfect with regards to squad build as our initial high costs are beginning to disappear. If we can get what we want from Nike and Etihad then we'll have one big jump of around 25-28% in revenue followed by yearly increases of 2-8% dependent on performance. Imo of course.
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I think we might wait a bit longer on the Nike and Etihad deal and renew them when it'll make the biggest impact, a record deal with Etihad after winning the CL? that would cause a massive jump in our revenue
 
dan05delaney said:
I think we might wait a bit longer on the Nike and Etihad deal and renew them when it'll make the biggest impact, a record deal with Etihad after winning the CL? that would cause a massive jump in our revenue
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The best time to renew the Nike deal would be now after they've lost their deals with Arsenal and the scum.
 
blue b4 the moon said:
Cheers, so Jock football being shite is good for English clubs....UEFA seem to have pulled a fast one here with the distribution of money.
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It's negligible tbh even if true. They got slightly under £7m from the TV pool in 2012/13 of which £1.5m or so would have found it's way to City otherwise.
 
aguero93:20 said:
The best time to renew the Nike deal would be now after they've lost their deals with Arsenal and the scum.
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I'm sure there will be subtle hints that if Nike wish to retain City over the longer term, then it might be in their interests to re-negotiate. It's standard business practice to subtly make it clear that not playing ball is likely to result in a contract not being renewed.
 
dan05delaney said:
I think we might wait a bit longer on the Nike and Etihad deal and renew them when it'll make the biggest impact, a record deal with Etihad after winning the CL? that would cause a massive jump in our revenue
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As NYC have to play in an Adidas kit because of their league's collective deal, we may negotiate for the whole CFG to go to Adidas

The spanner in the works is that generally a global brand kit supplier only has one major club per city (if you class the rags being in Manchester)
 
Henkeman said:
I'm sure there will be subtle hints that if Nike wish to retain City over the longer term, then it might be in their interests to re-negotiate. It's standard business practice to subtly make it clear that not playing ball is likely to result in a contract not being renewed.
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Yep and for once shirt sales shouldn't come into the negotiations. It should be a case of "Pay up, or all those spectators watching the most watched league in the world will see 0 Nike shirts".
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
And all factored without the leisure destination, which will be a licence to print money in the years to come, no doubt :)

Also, perhaps, with our production line in the next five to ten years starting to impact on our need to sign superstars from other clubs.

Just a couple of really minor points, he missed £700k on Trippier and £4.5m on Suarez.

And both Milner and Richards were earning an extra £1m a year in wages between them.

I think we are gearing up for a financial arms race with United and Chelsea in the next couple of years.

Thankfully, United are well behind at present.

However, I am still of the opinion that signing Messi will see City become the biggest club in the world.
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that last line of yours tolm, fanciful speculation or.....

he would be 29 next june, 3 to 4 years left at the very peak of his powers?
 
aguero93:20 said:
Yep and for once shirt sales shouldn't come into the negotiations. It should be a case of "Pay up, or all those spectators watching the most watched league in the world will see 0 Nike shirts".
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Nike are not stupid, they won't need to be told. I'm no billionaire businessman (you're shocked, right?) but if it was me I'd be going down the route of saying that this must be a concern to you, but we are very much your partners in this, and perhaps we need to sit down and discuss how best to maximise Nike's exposure in the Premier League over the longer term etc etc.
 
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