Prestwich_Blue said:Not necessarily. There are loads of things in FFP you have to have as well as breaking even, including your technical and administrative set-up.moomba said:I'd be amazed if UEFA looked at the 76 (anyone who made any sort of loss in 11/12 I believe) and just left it at that.
But even if we assume the 76 are just those who didn't meet the break-even requirements, all could escape sanctions if they would have met them when wages paid under pre-June 2010 contracts are taken into account. It's the Club Financial Control Panel who applies that test and not the clubs.
In practice though, there will probably be some who have overdue payables or something similar. Some may also not pass the break-even test as their finances aren't improving.
That article, and most tellingly the last sentence, tells you all you need to know about balance in the press when it come to reporting on City versus the established clubs, not least because City now arguably have the least to fear from FFP.ManCityX said:From the Guardian. Making it up as they go along.
Liverpool in clear for Champions League over financial fair play rules
Liverpool and other clubs such as Monaco who are not playing in Europe this season will not have to pass Uefa's break-even rule in order to take part in the next Champions League campaign, it has been confirmed. Only the 237 clubs who took part in this season's Champions League and Europa League are currently being assessed.
Uefa has revealed 76 of these are being investigated and face sanctions this summer – including possible disqualification from next season's competitions – if they fail to comply with financial fair play.
Clubs such as Liverpool and Monaco who have not been in Europe face no threat of sanctions this summer for failing to break even. They would be assessed next autumn – along with all the other clubs in Uefa competitions next season – with any sanctions applicable in 2015.
Liverpool this week announced losses of £49.8m up to the end of May 2013, and a further £40.5m over the previous 10 months leading to some concern over whether the club would comply with Uefa's FFP rules.
A Uefa spokesman confirmed to Press Association Sport that clubs not involved in Europe this season will not be assessed until next season.
Liverpool remain hopeful that they will comply despite their losses. The club may be able to write off a loan made by their owners Fenway Sports Group to repay a £38m loan taken out to develop stadium plans by the former proprietors Tom Hicks and George Gillett.
The autumn financial review by Uefa will look at clubs' finances over the 2011-12, 2012-13 and 2013-14 seasons, plus an estimate of the position over the two years to come.
That means the impact of the new bumper Premier League TV deal would be reflected in the English clubs' accounts.
Manchester City, who have lost £149m in the past two seasons, have the most to fear among Premier League clubs, while on the continent Paris Saint-Germain are also in the spotlight.
No preferential treatment there, they'll more than likely fail next year though, they have to turn a profit of 45 million in profit next year while simultaneously strengthening every area of their squad.denislawsbackheel said:So the Grauniad and the Times say Liverpool excluded from FFP for a year.
The whole point of FFP as I understood it was to ensure clubs needing a licence to play in Europe complied with the rules.denislawsbackheel said:So the Grauniad and the Times say Liverpool excluded from FFP for a year.
aguero93:20 said:No preferential treatment there, they'll more than likely fail next year though, they have to turn a profit of 45 million in profit next year while simultaneously strengthening every area of their squad.denislawsbackheel said:So the Grauniad and the Times say Liverpool excluded from FFP for a year.
they seem a bit sure about it for anything else but uefa having said something, sounds ridiculous to me that only a certain percentage of clubs actually have to pass the test though.Prestwich_Blue said:The whole point of FFP as I understood it was to ensure clubs needing a licence to play in Europe complied with the rules.denislawsbackheel said:So the Grauniad and the Times say Liverpool excluded from FFP for a year.
Let's not forget John W Henry pontificating to the point of utter tedium about FFP being a such a good thing for football too, as well as him and Ian Ayre making sly digs about the Etihad deal.aguero93:20 said:No preferential treatment there, they'll more than likely fail next year though, they have to turn a profit of 45 million in profit next year while simultaneously strengthening every area of their squad.denislawsbackheel said:So the Grauniad and the Times say Liverpool excluded from FFP for a year.
moomba said:aguero93:20 said:No preferential treatment there, they'll more than likely fail next year though, they have to turn a profit of 45 million in profit next year while simultaneously strengthening every area of their squad.denislawsbackheel said:So the Grauniad and the Times say Liverpool excluded from FFP for a year.
Lots more TV money will help them out though.
I wonder if City will ever find the lost £149M................might be under Twatini's bed.?ManCityX said:From the Guardian. Making it up as they go along.
.......................................................................................................Manchester City, who have lost £149m in the past two seasons, have the most to fear among Premier League clubs, while on the continent Paris Saint-Germain are also in the spotlight.
ManCityX said:From the Guardian.
Liverpool in clear for Champions League over financial fair play rules
A Uefa spokesman confirmed to Press Association Sport that clubs not involved in Europe this season will not be assessed until next season.
Manchester City, who have lost £149m in the past two seasons, have the most to fear among Premier League clubs, while on the continent Paris Saint-Germain are also in the spotlight.
It isn't the same though is it? Our supporters don't hypocritically posture about doing things 'the right way' to the point of utter fucking nausea like Liverpool's. Deluded fucking hypocrites.aguero93:20 said:@marshalls it does indeed, the assurance of continuing support from the fenway sports group was the only reason they were able to declare the business as a going concern for the coming year, exactly the same as both chelsea and ourselves and most of the other premier league clubs, as well as nearly all serie a clubs, french clubs and russian clubs. we're actually in a far better position because our owners have written off our debts, but that doesn't suit the angle the press like to take.
gordondaviesmoustache said:It isn't the same though is it? Our supporters don't hypocritically posture about doing things 'the right way' to the point of utter fucking nausea like Liverpool's. Deluded fucking hypocrites.aguero93:20 said:@marshalls it does indeed, the assurance of continuing support from the fenway sports group was the only reason they were able to declare the business as a going concern for the coming year, exactly the same as both chelsea and ourselves and most of the other premier league clubs, as well as nearly all serie a clubs, french clubs and russian clubs. we're actually in a far better position because our owners have written off our debts, but that doesn't suit the angle the press like to take.
Knew you would ;-)aguero93:20 said:Fully agree gdm.gordondaviesmoustache said:It isn't the same though is it? Our supporters don't hypocritically posture about doing things 'the right way' to the point of utter fucking nausea like Liverpool's. Deluded fucking hypocrites.aguero93:20 said:@marshalls it does indeed, the assurance of continuing support from the fenway sports group was the only reason they were able to declare the business as a going concern for the coming year, exactly the same as both chelsea and ourselves and most of the other premier league clubs, as well as nearly all serie a clubs, french clubs and russian clubs. we're actually in a far better position because our owners have written off our debts, but that doesn't suit the angle the press like to take.
Wilf Wild 1937 said:ManCityX said:From the Guardian.
Liverpool in clear for Champions League over financial fair play rules
A Uefa spokesman confirmed to Press Association Sport that clubs not involved in Europe this season will not be assessed until next season.
Manchester City, who have lost £149m in the past two seasons, have the most to fear among Premier League clubs, while on the continent Paris Saint-Germain are also in the spotlight.
I'm waiting for a further announcement from UEFA that the rules will only be applied next season to clubs playing outside their national capitals
who haven't previously won the CL or some other such nonsense. Maybe they will only apply to clubs based in either Eastern Europe or
East Manchester? Seriously though if they are not assessing clubs like Liverpool until next season they can't do anything other than issue
warnings to clubs such as PSG, Chelsea and ourselves who don't owe money to other member clubs. They would get destroyed in court.
Anybody else think that they know that they are on a very sticky wicket legally speaking and are deliberately pushing the timetable back to:-
a See what the courts make of the current challenge.
b Give PSG time to comply.
My reading of this is that we have nothing to worry about.
sadly I remain deeply anxiousgordondaviesmoustache said:Knew you would ;-)aguero93:20 said:Fully agree gdm.gordondaviesmoustache said:It isn't the same though is it? Our supporters don't hypocritically posture about doing things 'the right way' to the point of utter fucking nausea like Liverpool's. Deluded fucking hypocrites.