City & FFP | 2020/21 Accounts released | Revenues of £569.8m, £2.4m profit (p 2395)

[redmanc34]

i didn't give u an average.... i gave u an individual game(Getafe) where the official Malaga website backed up the attendance figure to a man given by transfer market

Fair enough, but their average is decent, everyone has a bad day, Getafe aren't exactly a draw, they get about 6,000 a week

haha so we have gone from 95% full, most loyal in spain, recently lost fans due to the economic crisis, Getafe not a big draw............just be a man admit u dropped a bollock and we can move on

Yeah but look at your average attendance, 46,000 while the works being done, yet GMP confirmed on November 5th the attendance at the CSKA game was around 36,000, nobody questions your loyalty do they

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Our guest clearly has a hard-on at the attention he's getting.

This is conspicuously counterbalanced, however, that intellectually speaking he has a micro-penis.

As someone said once as they were marking me on a Sunday morning whilst playing pub football, after I'd tried yet another flick and trick that hadn't quite come off: "know your limits".

 

[MihaiCity]

this thread is a joke atm

 

[-nibz-]

So Redmanc, what do you make of the argument from the majority of United(and Arsenal) fans that Sheikh Mansour's investment in City is morally wrong in footballing terms, and there is a right and a wrong way of achieving success on the pitch.

Sugar Daddies, Oil money, doping, buying success, etc.(as opposed to self-made money, bringing through and winning trophies with youth players, etc)

As I said earlier, it's a shame it's got to this point where a well supported club like yourself has to pump so much money into your club to get top 4, so everything below is not a dig at City, its just how I feel, and there's a lot about United I hate anyway.

But to me personally I do agree there is a right way to go about things in football, this isn't a dig at City by the way, because i'm staring to get very disillusioned by whats happening at United. But for me the greatest achievement I have ever heard of in football is Celtics European Cup Win in 1967. The whole squad were from within a 30 mile radius of Celtic Park. That would be the dream for me, for United just to compete with a squad of 25 lads from say Greater Manchester, Cheshire, Lancashire and the odd one from Merseyside, not even talking winning trophies but just being competitive. I fully support promoting from within rather than buying players, always have done, and as I say that's why us going out signing di Maria doesn't excite me as much as seeing a lad we produced breaking through and playing well.
To me that's what I prefer and we have this record of having a product of the academy in our squad in every game since 1938. The moment that comes to an end i'll be done with that club, as it'll be everything I detest about modern football, and it's slowly getting that way unfortunately.

But thats just my opinion, I think its far more rewarding, and you have more of a sense of pride in your club from having lads you produced. After all, thats what football was originally about when it was formed. Just like it is at Amateur grass roots level still now. Back in the day though it would be a bunch of lads from Gorton, play a bunch of lads from Salford, and then you can say, "yeah Salford are the best at football" or "Gorton are the best at football" then it evolved to a whole team of Mancs playing a whole team of scousers etc, and then it becomes about the city. And I also feel that as a fan you feel closer to those lads, because if they're local, they could be your mates, or you at least have that common ground, so you have a connection.

Bullshit! I bet you were banging that f5 key on redcafes transfer forum like you were playing Daley Thompson's Decathlon.

 

[SilverFox2]

Our guest clearly has a hard-on at the attention he's getting.

This is conspicuously counterbalanced, however, that intellectually speaking he has a micro-penis.

As someone said once as they were marking me on a Sunday morning whilst playing pub football, after I'd tried yet another flick and trick that hadn't quite come off: "know your limits".

What else do we do Gordon on a thread that is supposed to be 'City and FFP'.

We have been assured by our Chairman that FFP is no longer a problem for City yet we continue to feel that we should protest its continued presence.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Bullshit! I bet you were banging that f5 key on redcafes transfer forum like you were playing Daley Thompson's Decathlon.

Haha! Fuck me that's brought back a few memories, nibz!!

 

[jrb]

So Redmanc, what do you make of the argument from the majority of United(and Arsenal) fans that Sheikh Mansour's investment in City is morally wrong in footballing terms, and there is a right and a wrong way of achieving success on the pitch.

Sugar Daddies, Oil money, doping, buying success, etc.(as opposed to self-made money, bringing through and winning trophies with youth players, etc)

As I said earlier, it's a shame it's got to this point where a well supported club like yourself has to pump so much money into your club to get top 4, so everything below is not a dig at City, its just how I feel, and there's a lot about United I hate anyway.

But to me personally I do agree there is a right way to go about things in football, this isn't a dig at City by the way, because i'm staring to get very disillusioned by whats happening at United. But for me the greatest achievement I have ever heard of in football is Celtics European Cup Win in 1967. The whole squad were from within a 30 mile radius of Celtic Park. That would be the dream for me, for United just to compete with a squad of 25 lads from say Greater Manchester, Cheshire, Lancashire and the odd one from Merseyside, not even talking winning trophies but just being competitive. I fully support promoting from within rather than buying players, always have done, and as I say that's why us going out signing di Maria doesn't excite me as much as seeing a lad we produced breaking through and playing well.
To me that's what I prefer and we have this record of having a product of the academy in our squad in every game since 1938. The moment that comes to an end i'll be done with that club, as it'll be everything I detest about modern football, and it's slowly getting that way unfortunately.

But thats just my opinion, I think its far more rewarding, and you have more of a sense of pride in your club from having lads you produced. After all, thats what football was originally about when it was formed. Just like it is at Amateur grass roots level still now. Back in the day though it would be a bunch of lads from Gorton, play a bunch of lads from Salford, and then you can say, "yeah Salford are the best at football" or "Gorton are the best at football" then it evolved to a whole team of Mancs playing a whole team of scousers etc, and then it becomes about the city. And I also feel that as a fan you feel closer to those lads, because if they're local, they could be your mates, or you at least have that common ground, so you have a connection.

I'll accept your point of view as there's nothing wrong about that reply.

However, if United spent another £160mill this Summer, filled the team with not a single home grown player, and won the title at the end of the 2015/16 season, 76,000 United fans, including yourself, would still celebrate it at Old Trafford without a second thought about what you've just wrote. Yet because that has happened across the city, it's some how morally wrong and repugnant. And the get out clause for United fans would be, it's *self made money*.

So how does that work then?

 

[-nibz-]

Plus you're not getting disillusioned, more embarrassed after all the digs you lot have been dishing out to the likes of us and Chelsea regarding spending. Plus the digs about sacking managers. Now you lot are doing the exact same things, you lot can't live with it. Your 'united way' has gone well and truly out of the window. It was roughly 5 games ago you wanted rid of turtle head. Fucking Hypocrites.

 

[redmanc34]

So Redmanc, what do you make of the argument from the majority of United(and Arsenal) fans that Sheikh Mansour's investment in City is morally wrong in footballing terms, and there is a right and a wrong way of achieving success on the pitch.

Sugar Daddies, Oil money, doping, buying success, etc.(as opposed to self-made money, bringing through and winning trophies with youth players, etc)

As I said earlier, it's a shame it's got to this point where a well supported club like yourself has to pump so much money into your club to get top 4, so everything below is not a dig at City, its just how I feel, and there's a lot about United I hate anyway.

But to me personally I do agree there is a right way to go about things in football, this isn't a dig at City by the way, because i'm staring to get very disillusioned by whats happening at United. But for me the greatest achievement I have ever heard of in football is Celtics European Cup Win in 1967. The whole squad were from within a 30 mile radius of Celtic Park. That would be the dream for me, for United just to compete with a squad of 25 lads from say Greater Manchester, Cheshire, Lancashire and the odd one from Merseyside, not even talking winning trophies but just being competitive. I fully support promoting from within rather than buying players, always have done, and as I say that's why us going out signing di Maria doesn't excite me as much as seeing a lad we produced breaking through and playing well.
To me that's what I prefer and we have this record of having a product of the academy in our squad in every game since 1938. The moment that comes to an end i'll be done with that club, as it'll be everything I detest about modern football, and it's slowly getting that way unfortunately.

But thats just my opinion, I think its far more rewarding, and you have more of a sense of pride in your club from having lads you produced. After all, thats what football was originally about when it was formed. Just like it is at Amateur grass roots level still now. Back in the day though it would be a bunch of lads from Gorton, play a bunch of lads from Salford, and then you can say, "yeah Salford are the best at football" or "Gorton are the best at football" then it evolved to a whole team of Mancs playing a whole team of scousers etc, and then it becomes about the city. And I also feel that as a fan you feel closer to those lads, because if they're local, they could be your mates, or you at least have that common ground, so you have a connection.

I'll accept your point of view as there's nothing wrong about that reply.

However, if United spent another £160mill this Summer, filled the team with not a single home grown player, and won the title at the end of the 2015/16 season, 76,000 United fans, including yourself, would still celebrate it at Old Trafford without a second thought about what you've just wrote. Yet because that has happened across the city, it's some how morally wrong and repugnant. And the get out clause for United would be, it's *self made money*.

So how does that work then?

If that happens I'll personally never go again. Seriously. I agree though, most will celebrate it and not realise what little identity the club had left had just been flushed down the toilet, but if that's how it is, United will have a place in my heart but they'll be disconnected to everything I believe in. My Eyes have been opened recently anyway a bit more, mate of mine from Rochdale lives in York, asked me to go Bootham for their away trip last season, in League 2, and then this season with the bro in law, lives in Devon, went to watch Plymouth v Carlisle, and to tell you the truth I preferred it, atmosphere was better and it's a lot less commercial in league 2 and 1. Felt like proper football, and to be honest I watch the football league show over match of the day now most of the time anyway

 

[-nibz-]

As I said earlier, it's a shame it's got to this point where a well supported club like yourself has to pump so much money into your club to get top 4, so everything below is not a dig at City, its just how I feel, and there's a lot about United I hate anyway.

But to me personally I do agree there is a right way to go about things in football, this isn't a dig at City by the way, because i'm staring to get very disillusioned by whats happening at United. But for me the greatest achievement I have ever heard of in football is Celtics European Cup Win in 1967. The whole squad were from within a 30 mile radius of Celtic Park. That would be the dream for me, for United just to compete with a squad of 25 lads from say Greater Manchester, Cheshire, Lancashire and the odd one from Merseyside, not even talking winning trophies but just being competitive. I fully support promoting from within rather than buying players, always have done, and as I say that's why us going out signing di Maria doesn't excite me as much as seeing a lad we produced breaking through and playing well.
To me that's what I prefer and we have this record of having a product of the academy in our squad in every game since 1938. The moment that comes to an end i'll be done with that club, as it'll be everything I detest about modern football, and it's slowly getting that way unfortunately.

But thats just my opinion, I think its far more rewarding, and you have more of a sense of pride in your club from having lads you produced. After all, thats what football was originally about when it was formed. Just like it is at Amateur grass roots level still now. Back in the day though it would be a bunch of lads from Gorton, play a bunch of lads from Salford, and then you can say, "yeah Salford are the best at football" or "Gorton are the best at football" then it evolved to a whole team of Mancs playing a whole team of scousers etc, and then it becomes about the city. And I also feel that as a fan you feel closer to those lads, because if they're local, they could be your mates, or you at least have that common ground, so you have a connection.

I'll accept your point of view as there's nothing wrong about that reply.

However, if United spent another £160mill this Summer, filled the team with not a single home grown player, and won the title at the end of the 2015/16 season, 76,000 United fans, including yourself, would still celebrate it at Old Trafford without a second thought about what you've just wrote. Yet because that has happened across the city, it's some how morally wrong and repugnant. And the get out clause for United would be, it's *self made money*.

So how does that work then?

If that happens I'll personally never go again. Seriously. I agree though, most will celebrate it and not realise what little identity the club had left had just been flushed down the toilet, but if that's how it is, United will have a place in my heart but they'll be disconnected to everything I believe in. My Eyes have been opened recently anyway a bit more, mate of mine from Rochdale lives in York, asked me to go Bootham for their away trip last season, in League 2, and then this season with the bro in law, lives in Devon, went to watch Plymouth v Carlisle, and to tell you the truth I preferred it, atmosphere was better and it's a lot less commercial in league 2 and 1. Felt like proper football, and to be honest I watch the football league show over match of the day now most of the time anyway

Must admit. I find MOTD hard to watch when we've been playing shit.

 

[redmanc34]

Plus you're not getting disillusioned, more embarrassed after all the digs you lot have been dishing out to the likes of us and Chelsea regarding spending. Plus the digs about sacking managers. Now you lot are doing the exact same things, you lot can't live with it. Your 'united way' has gone well and truly out of the window. It was roughly 5 games ago you wanted rid of turtle head. Fucking Hypocrites.

It's not embarrassed, it is disillusioned. I've not met one red yet who wanted rid of van Gaal. Plus I know a lad, in his late 40's from Moss Side, massive blue, loved it at Maine Road, season ticket holder all his life, proper knowledgeable as well about football. He's stopped going after you won the league. He was never happy when you moved anyway to the Etihad, but after seeing you win the league he said, "ive seen them do what I wanted to see them do, and it's not the club I used to know" said the atmosphere was stale, the club had gone too commercial like United, and he stopped going. So there's blues who have the same feelings towards city that I have towards united

 

[-nibz-]

Plus you're not getting disillusioned, more embarrassed after all the digs you lot have been dishing out to the likes of us and Chelsea regarding spending. Plus the digs about sacking managers. Now you lot are doing the exact same things, you lot can't live with it. Your 'united way' has gone well and truly out of the window. It was roughly 5 games ago you wanted rid of turtle head. Fucking Hypocrites.

It's not embarrassed, it is disillusioned. I've not met one red yet who wanted rid of van Gaal. Plus I know a lad, in his late 40's from Moss Side, massive blue, loved it at Maine Road, season ticket holder all his life, proper knowledgeable as well about football. He's stopped going after you won the league. He was never happy when you moved anyway to the Etihad, but after seeing you win the league he said, "ive seen them do what I wanted to see them do, and it's not the club I used to know" said the atmosphere was stale, the club had gone too commercial like United, and he stopped going. So there's blues who have the same feelings towards city that I have towards united

You'd make a good politician. You reply with utter shit.

 

[BlueAnorak]

OK mods. You've had your fun.
Some would say that a cat playing with an injured bird is cruel.
I say it's time to put the injured bird down by reaching for the ban hammer now as his responses are getting rather tedious and yada yada.

 

[citytill1die84]

Stop listening to the pathetic rag he's a WUM and a PRICK.

 

[-nibz-]

Nah, just ban him from the mains. We've a thread next door he could keep to

 

[franksinatra]

Plus you're not getting disillusioned, more embarrassed after all the digs you lot have been dishing out to the likes of us and Chelsea regarding spending. Plus the digs about sacking managers. Now you lot are doing the exact same things, you lot can't live with it. Your 'united way' has gone well and truly out of the window. It was roughly 5 games ago you wanted rid of turtle head. Fucking Hypocrites.

It's not embarrassed, it is disillusioned. I've not met one red yet who wanted rid of van Gaal. Plus I know a lad, in his late 40's from Moss Side, massive blue, loved it at Maine Road, season ticket holder all his life, proper knowledgeable as well about football. He's stopped going after you won the league. He was never happy when you moved anyway to the Etihad, but after seeing you win the league he said, "ive seen them do what I wanted to see them do, and it's not the club I used to know" said the atmosphere was stale, the club had gone too commercial like United, and he stopped going. So there's blues who have the same feelings towards city that I have towards united

I think many blues feel the same. It is a two-sided coin though. At times I get frustrated at ticket prices but then realise those prices are not unique to City. Poor Atmosphere, well its endemic through the Premier league. So therefore although I feel disillusioned with City at times, I realise the main issue is modern football.

Sadly if you look at the timeline of the changes in football, the breakaway from the Football League, United were st the forefront of this and similarly Gill is now protecting your position of power.

You are correct a team should not have to spend like we have to raise a challenge but that is a direct consequence of the inequalities in football since the breakaway pushed by the then 'big six' and the Champions League distribution of wealth.

It does give me some pleasure that those who complain the most United, Liverpool, Spurs, Arsenal, Everton are actually the architects of this inequality they now complain about However their own fanbases are blind to this reality.

 

[-nibz-]

Plus you're not getting disillusioned, more embarrassed after all the digs you lot have been dishing out to the likes of us and Chelsea regarding spending. Plus the digs about sacking managers. Now you lot are doing the exact same things, you lot can't live with it. Your 'united way' has gone well and truly out of the window. It was roughly 5 games ago you wanted rid of turtle head. Fucking Hypocrites.

It's not embarrassed, it is disillusioned. I've not met one red yet who wanted rid of van Gaal. Plus I know a lad, in his late 40's from Moss Side, massive blue, loved it at Maine Road, season ticket holder all his life, proper knowledgeable as well about football. He's stopped going after you won the league. He was never happy when you moved anyway to the Etihad, but after seeing you win the league he said, "ive seen them do what I wanted to see them do, and it's not the club I used to know" said the atmosphere was stale, the club had gone too commercial like United, and he stopped going. So there's blues who have the same feelings towards city that I have towards united

I think many blues feel the same. It is a two-sided coin though. At times I get frustrated at ticket prices but then realise those prices are not unique to City. Poor Atmosphere, well its endemic through the Premier league. So therefore although I feel disillusioned with City at times, I realise the main issue is modern football.

Sadly if you look at the timeline of the changes in football, the breakaway from the Football League, United were st the forefront of this and similarly Gill is now protecting your position of power.

You are correct a team should not have to spend like we have to raise a challenge but that is a direct consequence of the inequalities in football since the breakaway pushed by the then 'big six' and the Champions League distribution of wealth.

It does give me some pleasure that those who complain the most United, Liverpool, Spurs, Arsenal, Everton are actually the architects of this inequality they now complain about However their own fambases are blond to this reality.

The only blind ones there are Everton and Spurs, even Liverpool at a push.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

The more I think about it, the more I feel that we'll look on FFP as the tool that saved the Rags, rather than hurt City.

They created the advantage despite a 7th place finish last summer, and that's allowed them to restore CL football and thus go on their spree that will keep them a top 4 side.

They hurt us last summer, but they absolutely killed Liverpool, who won't be able to compete with them in the market.

A midfield of Gundogan, Herrera + 1 next season will be comfortable enough, the only hope is Van Gaal doesn't use it properly and has to resort to Fellaini tactics.

 

[laserblue]

Yeah but look at your average attendance, 46,000 while the works being done, yet GMP confirmed on November 5th the attendance at the CSKA game was around 36,000, nobody questions your loyalty do they

I call bullshit. I was at the CSKA game and there were more than 36,000 there. I've also looked on the GMP site and found nothing whatsoever to corroborate your statement. I did, however, find that despite the rags claiming full houses there were 30,000 empty seats for the CL match against Cluj two seasons ago plus 20,000 empty seats against Braga and 15,000 empty seats against Galatasaray. And that was despite 55,000 season ticket holders being forced at gunpoint to buy tickets for these games. Oh, and the classic 42,000 empty seats for the League Cup game against Newcastle when they weren't.

 

[LoveCity]

45,143 was the attendance for CSKA largely due to BOGOF. I was there and the stadium was largely packed with no away fans.