City games allegedly fixed

[deano ou812]

This is a great article, 4 years old, about the subtle, or not so subtle, manipulation of refs.

I urge everyone to give it a read.



https://sabotagetimes.com/football/...e-of-the-manchester-united-referee-conspiracy

Remember reading this a couple of seasons ago,but it’s all coincidence of course,it just reminds me what is happening regards refs and the influence at the time from certain people on them ..

 

[Blue Mist]

Tbf. Do you not think its a bit far fetched that it was fixed for Leicester to win the title?

Having replied to your post I will also answer your question and it is strangely worded 'Do I think it was fixed for Leicester to win the title. To ask that you have not been reading my replies. Fixed by who(m) ? FiFA, UeFA, The F.A/Prem league. who.
My point is it is not one big conspiracy organised by one person or organisation. If you ask me do i think Leicester Citys owners/players conspired to undertake sharp possibly illegal practices to win the league. I would answer that there appears to be a lot of circumstanial evidence that would indicate they did. Blood doping has been going in in cycling for years why not in the Prem League.

 

[better dead than red]

As for Leicester, I don't know if they blood doped. There are some things that point to it.
For those asking how their defence could be so good or Mahrez keep pulling tricks out of his hat, etc. the answer would be blood doing.

If you've played football or rugby or any other game you will know how easy it is to impose your will on an opponent that is tired/exhausted and you are not. Yes, you will have to have some amount of skill to begin with but not being tired certainly help you.

 

[franksinatra]

If somebody does provide you with credible evidence of something you fail to respond.

Page 94 of the Referees Performance thread. I would still be interested in a reply from my post to you of Sept 8th.

I was aware of Halseys comments but for me it does not prove things either way.

Without knowing what he was asked to omit/what club it involved/what incident it related too I am not sure we can make any judgement on his comments, the significance of it or even the accuracy of it.

Its a smoking gun I agree but it hardly proves widescale corruption, fixing of matches, or even if we were the club involved. It could even be the most trivial of examples.

 

[80s Shorts]

I was aware of Halseys comments but for me it does not prove things either way.

Without knowing what he was asked to omit/what club it involved/what incident it related too I am not sure we can make any judgement on his comments, the significance of it or even the accuracy of it.

Its a smoking gun I agree but it hardly proves widescale corruption, fixing of matches, or even if we were the club involved. It could even be the most trivial of examples.

My post was 20 or 30 pages ago and in response to you saying that nobody had come forward with anything. This many pages later your response is out of context. I did not mention widespread corruption or fixing of matches.

Not sure why you are not aware of the details as you seem to take such an interest in these matters. I post the following in clarification for you, it has been in the mainstream media for quite a while.



Former Premier League referee Mark Halsey has revealed to talkSPORT he was told to change decisions he had made in games before handing in his match report to the FA.

In the week in which Sergio Aguero was handed a three match suspension after allegedly elbowing West Ham defender Winston Reid, Halsey spoke to Kick Off to claim, on at least one occasion, that he was forced to alter his view of an incident.

When asked by Danny Murphy if he’d ever heard of a referee being overruled, Halsey said: “I’m going to speak honestly now. It happened to me once in the Premier League.

“I was refereeing Stoke v Blackburn Rovers. I saw an incident and didn’t think it was worthy of anything.

“Then we had a meeting at St George’s and I was called in and told ‘all right, this incident here is violent conduct - it’s a red card.'

“And I said ‘no it isn’t. Not in my opinion.'

“And then he said, ‘well, we’re telling you that is a red card offence, and you will tell the FA that’s what it is.'

“And I had to do it. If I didn’t I would have been suspended.

“That did go on, and I’ve got to say, I was furious - Absolutely furious!

“At the game, the assessor was there and he never saw it, he never said anything!

“So yes, that does go on. When there’s an incident unseen by the match officials, what happens is it’s taken out the referee’s hands.”

Halsey went on to share this view on social view website Twitter, writing: “I have been in that situation, when I have seen an incident and been told to say I haven't seen it.

“To be fair to the FA... it's not them. It comes from within the PGMOL [Professional Game Match Officials Limited]...”

Former Manchester United and England star Gary Neville reacted to Halsey's claims, himself using Twitter to claim there is a huge problem in the Premier League.

 

[JoshuaJDuckworth]

I dont belisve in conspiracy theory pal.
I believe in reality.
Check out the sky sports /ray wilkins footage which shows the former scum midfield general pressing the 'wronng' 'button on his football tactics screen...and bringing up the results of a series of international football results,inc englands,......the day before the games were actually played.
The sky sports presenter quickly presses the 'right'button and the results are gone.
Sky sports did not have the broadcasting rights to whatever tournament the results related to ,and it was done,ostensibly, to weaken the commercial viability of their rivals posistion,by illustrating what a dead duck in the water their rivals had purchased.
Yes pal.corruption in football is a reality.

Any chance you could drop the passive aggression from the conversation?

Possibly didn't explain myself properly, I am sure there is corruption in all top sports - football included. I am sure individuals have taken bribes and that some organisations will do whatever they can to make money. The part I have disputed is that there is a conscious and unified approach by the major football authorities to stop Man City and selected other clubs.

 

[Blue Mist]

Any chance you could drop the passive aggression from the conversation?

Possibly didn't explain myself properly, I am sure there is corruption in all top sports - football included. I am sure individuals have taken bribes and that some organisations will do whatever they can to make money. The part I have disputed is that there is a conscious and unified approach by the major football authorities to stop Man City and selected other clubs.

Josh, which do you think will get a bigger audience in the Far East/Asia. the Rags v Liverpool or City v Spurs ? The obvious answer is the Rags match. The money from the UK cannot grow much more for $ky/BT they need other audiences to tune in. If Liverpool and the Rags stop being relevant and become regular mid table clubs the gravy train dries up. It is in the interests of the Premier league to ensure that does not happen.
It is also why our owners are concentraing on 'other' markets, that is where the new fans will come from. Our owners are playing the long game, $ky/BT and the Prem League have to play the short game as todays viewing figures are all that advertisers care about.

 

[franksinatra]

My post was 20 or 30 pages ago and in response to you saying that nobody had come forward with anything. This many pages later your response is out of context. I did not mention widespread corruption or fixing of matches.

Not sure why you are not aware of the details as you seem to take such an interest in these matters. I post the following in clarification for you, it has been in the mainstream media for quite a while.



Former Premier League referee Mark Halsey has revealed to talkSPORT he was told to change decisions he had made in games before handing in his match report to the FA.

In the week in which Sergio Aguero was handed a three match suspension after allegedly elbowing West Ham defender Winston Reid, Halsey spoke to Kick Off to claim, on at least one occasion, that he was forced to alter his view of an incident.

When asked by Danny Murphy if he’d ever heard of a referee being overruled, Halsey said: “I’m going to speak honestly now. It happened to me once in the Premier League.

“I was refereeing Stoke v Blackburn Rovers. I saw an incident and didn’t think it was worthy of anything.

“Then we had a meeting at St George’s and I was called in and told ‘all right, this incident here is violent conduct - it’s a red card.'

“And I said ‘no it isn’t. Not in my opinion.'

“And then he said, ‘well, we’re telling you that is a red card offence, and you will tell the FA that’s what it is.'

“And I had to do it. If I didn’t I would have been suspended.

“That did go on, and I’ve got to say, I was furious - Absolutely furious!

“At the game, the assessor was there and he never saw it, he never said anything!

“So yes, that does go on. When there’s an incident unseen by the match officials, what happens is it’s taken out the referee’s hands.”

Halsey went on to share this view on social view website Twitter, writing: “I have been in that situation, when I have seen an incident and been told to say I haven't seen it.

“To be fair to the FA... it's not them. It comes from within the PGMOL [Professional Game Match Officials Limited]...”

Former Manchester United and England star Gary Neville reacted to Halsey's claims, himself using Twitter to claim there is a huge problem in the Premier League.

Sorry 80s shorts. Yes Im happy to concede this one. It does appear theres a strong likelihood dealings behind close doors in relation to the disciplinary process. I had forgot, do not know why, because I had read it at the time.

PIGMOL maybe felt the incident (have you seen it?) was so severe the offence required further action. That I do not know, either way they should not be pressuring referees.

 

[M18CTID]

As for Leicester, I don't know if they blood doped. There are some things that point to it.
For those asking how their defence could be so good or Mahrez keep pulling tricks out of his hat, etc. the answer would be blood doing.

If you've played football or rugby or any other game you will know how easy it is to impose your will on an opponent that is tired/exhausted and you are not. Yes, you will have to have some amount of skill to begin with but not being tired certainly help you.

The tirednesss - or rather lack of it - is a huge pointer here. During the last few months of that season in particular, the Leicester players appeared to be fitter than pretty much every single opponent they faced, be it a mediocre team like Sunderland or a better side like ourselves. It seemed like Groundhog Day watching some of their performances, winning game after game to nil and often taking advantage of tired opponents. It got to the stage where if the game was delicately poised at 0-0, you pretty much knew what the outcome would be (often courtesy of a through ball played into space for a super-fast Vardy to run on to, out-pace the defender, and smash into the net). It's one thing expecting that of, say, a United side when they were dominating under Ferguson but this was Leicester Fucking City, a team almost entirely made up of journeymen, rejects, and cloggers. As much as I'd like to think their title win was genuine and completely above board - Christ, I love an underdog and if it can't be us I'd sooner it was a Leicester rather than one of the usual suspects - the more I look back on that season the more it seems to stink.

 

[JoshuaJDuckworth]

Josh, which do you think will get a bigger audience in the Far East/Asia. the Rags v Liverpool or City v Spurs ? The obvious answer is the Rags match. The money from the UK cannot grow much more for $ky/BT they need other audiences to tune in. If Liverpool and the Rags stop being relevant and become regular mid table clubs the gravy train dries up. It is in the interests of the Premier league to ensure that does not happen.
It is also why our owners are concentraing on 'other' markets, that is where the new fans will come from. Our owners are playing the long game, $ky/BT and the Prem League have to play the short game as todays viewing figures are all that advertisers care about.

I understand the argument regarding audiences, and this is clearly seen with matches shown in the UK on BBC as well as the far east.
What I find less convincing is that this desire, clearly stated in the interview comments mentioned previously regarding the premier league needing United, is then used to ensure refs and other officials act in an organised and pre-planned way to stifle other teams.
Perhaps I just don't want to see it as it would ruin football but the evidence presented to me in this thread leaves me unconvinced of what some are arguing is happening.

I think one of the issues here is that there about many different arguments being made and nobody following what others are claiming.
I must admit to finding the Leicester win very odd but again not sure if just highly unlikely or Leicester's decision to cheat in an organised manner. I do struggle to understand the betting claims. My understanding is that bookies don't want to lose money so would pursue such an odd result quite ferociously.

As I say, I am unconvinced by anything and until presented with concrete evidence would prefer to think the sport I love is not just wrestling...