City, how different to the Glazers?

The club don't force you to sign up to the cup scheme but it's no good moaning about it if you don't and we get to Wembley and miss out.
 
DSonBlue said:
Another negative post, T - but your observations this time are based on fact.

It's true that as a club becomes successful it gains new fans, new status, and therefore the ability to make more money.

HOWEVER, don't you think it's understandable that Abu Dabi want to start recovering at least some of the MASSIVE amounts of dosh they've invested in the club?

I'm not saying I like the trend, specifically that the die hards who have supported City through thin and thin might miss out on some of the high profile games in the coming years.

However I (and others lke me) have long accepted that the price of success - and god know we all deserve a bit by now - is that sometimes we might have to watch games on TV instead of being there.

Besides, making a comparison with the Glazers is quite frankly disrespectful toward our owners; they have done their level best to destroy Utd's position as one of the most lucrative in the world since the takeover!

What does everyone else think?
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I have no problem whatsoever with the club wanting to make money. The problem many fans will have will be trying to understand why they can no longer afford to watch their beloved team, the team they supported during its darkest days, the team they basically kept afloat and the team that the owner and his management team have said will never, ever forget those very fans.

The demographics of our fan base is changing and if you can afford the "ride", great but for those that just can not it will soon be time to get off and many will be forced to become the proverbial armchair sky fan.

That is of course unless we increase capacity and the owner keeps certain seats at sensible prices and i for one hope that's very much the case.
 
fbloke said:
The inevitable (yeah I know its City we are talking about!) success that was to follow the investments creates a problem common to ALL 'big' clubs in England - Wembley is simply not big enough.

City being outside looking in - to use your phrase Tolm' - masked the fact that many City fans we always going to be going without tickets for finals. All that has happened is that we now, as fans are stumbling out of the dark days and into the light.

The Cup Direct scheme is a great idea but only as long as the tickets are used. I would hope that a tweak is made in that you only get the additional advantages of being in the Cup Scheme if the seats are filled as well.

When the stadium is expanded and there are more match going Blues to feel entitled to the cup final tickets the problem will become worse.

One reason why I have been banging on about big screens at COMS for big games so even more revenue can be generated (FFPR) and more of us can share something akin to a matchday experience together.

None of the other 'big' clubs have ever bothered but at least City have trialed the idea with City Square.

Expect bigger 'off site' efforts in the years to come.
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This is a good point, because in my opinion is shows that the club still wants the fans to experience the bigger games as a family, as opposed to the only other option which is to watch it with a few mates at home.

I'll be down at City square to watch THE final myself (probably with the gf and one or two others).

I'm actually quite excited at the prospect, particularly as it's the next best thing (not enough loyalty pts and not in the CDS).

And before it gets mentioned, I realise it's also another means of income for the club, albeit a much more accessible and cost effetctive one (for the fans). At least it's there though - they will probably not make a great deal on the day in fact, when you factor in the cost of providing the usual food/drink/security etc.

Respect to City for thinking of us in this way.
 
DSonBlue said:
Another negative post, T - but your observations this time are based on fact.

It's true that as a club becomes successful it gains new fans, new status, and therefore the ability to make more money.

HOWEVER, don't you think it's understandable that Abu Dabi want to start recovering at least some of the MASSIVE amounts of dosh they've invested in the club?

I'm not saying I like the trend, specifically that the die hards who have supported City through thin and thin might miss out on some of the high profile games in the coming years.

However I (and others lke me) have long accepted that the price of success - and god know we all deserve a bit by now - is that sometimes we might have to watch games on TV instead of being there.

Besides, making a comparison with the Glazers is quite frankly disrespectful toward our owners; they have done their level best to destroy Utd's position as one of the most lucrative in the world since the takeover!

What does everyone else think?

PS. I think it's widely accepted that the fiasco over tickets for the Cup Final is down to the FA moneygrabbers - they're the ones with little interest in the fans being there, and more in corporate income after all (not ADUG)..
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Not quite sure why you feel the need to pigeon-hole me as someone who posts negatively.

Especially so, when there are plenty of posters who request positive news on transfer dealings.

Sheikh Mansour is a business man at the end of the day. Just as the Glazers are.

Difference is, our owners have deeper pockets and make positive strides towards bringing the closer to its fans.

Similarity is, they both want to make money, and lots of it.
 
You can look at the rags.... but I think and perhaps more worryingly I would look at Chelsea, a fanbase 20 years ago much like ourselves that has been totally distroyed by the fact that the demand for tickets following success has far outstripped supply. Unless seats are added and quickly, many of us will be forced out, because the prices of tickets will go up to the point the market can bare, not how much the "loyal" fan can pay.
 
This has always been a problem IMO going back to the last Wembley final and in those days I wasn't a season ticket holder just a Bert who turned up and stood on the Kippax it was a devils own job getting a ticket for the final. I did manage to get two at face value only problem was they were for the spurs end, so decked out in blue stood at the top of the old wembley way making our way very slowly to the spurs end as fate would have it two spurs fans had two tickets for our end so we swapped. The only way this will ever be solved is by the FA who as is in previos decades have never ever looked after real fans but corporates. Since 1980 we haven't really had any sucess and therefore the problem hasn't surfaced too often but I can see it happening in the future more and more.

On the basis them fuckwits at the FA, and UEFA are never ever going to release enough tickets for the genuine fans it is up to the club to ensure as fair a way as possible to getting them.

The rags tried to solve the problem by including cup prices in the season ticket but even then the rag fans aren't guaranteed a ticket it is done by lottery as I understand it.

For me the only way is through loyalty scheme but for those Berts who have to work and can't make every match I feel sorry. But should be 1 ticket per season ticket holder. FA cup games at home should have more loyalty points than other games thus ensuring home games in FA cup are sell outs, away FA cup ties are on first come first service again loaded with loyalty points. Only my pathetic attempt at trying to solve an almost impossible problem created as I have said by the FA themselves.
 
Supporting city now is no more expensive relatively speaking than it has been for 5 years. Season ticket prices are low - £200 if you didn’t mind where you sit. It’s only more expensive because we’re playing more games because we’re a better team. I can’t fault the owners up until this point and it would be unfair to criticise them for something that may happen in the future.
Put it this way – up until now what could they have done differently/better? Nothing in my opinion.
 
I firmly believe that we can all expect to gain 'loyalty' points for other City related activities in the future.

I made the point earlier about City Sq' for the Cup Final then how about LP's for attending that as well? It would drag a few more out of the pubs etc

The LP's for EDS games, EDS away games - that would certainly show who the most loyal fans are.

Will we be at a place that means glory hunters are also the fans who only turn up for the games with the 1st 11?
 
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