City launch legal action against the Premier League | City win APT case (pg901)

petrusha said:
I hope that there'll be declaratory relief in the form of anm order that the PL isn't to try to operate some form of the APT rules while the clubs decide how they should be amended in the light of them currently being unlawful. They have the absolute bloody-minded arrogance to try and, of course, I may be missing something that the Panel might regard as important.

However, I simply don't see how these rules could work in any meaningful way when there's a fucking great big shareholder-loan-shaped hole in them at present*. I therefore assume City will fight any such move by the PL with appropriate force.

* - Apologies to fellow users of teh board for my recourse here to the sesquipedalian intricacies of the technical lega argot.
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Googling lega argot right now.
 
tornandfrayed said:
This is why I'm always dubious when people say the lawyers/judges on these tribunals can be trusted to come to the correct decision because there have a reputation for probity and competence to uphold. It was clearly stated that the target was the "gulf state" owners - not hinted at or implied - they used the actual words. But they still accepted the pathetic excuse that it was just an example. I doubt you'd get away with that in your school home work.
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Don't think that's really fair, the onus was on City to prove that allegation, and all the finding of 'failed' means is that they didn't manage to do that conclusively. The panel may have thought ' yeah they probably are racist cunts' but probably had no choice but to find not proven, given the no doubt mealy mouthed backtracking of the email's author when pressed on it, and lack of further evidence.
 
the blue panther said:
Looking at the current "115" hearing, as it has now come to the attention of the P.L. via the first tribunal decision, that City didn't have a flat pitch to play on, due to the unlawfulness of the P.L.'s own rules, I don't see how the present tribunal can ignore submissions by City trying to refer to that decision. Last week it was reported that City's attempts to reference the recent decision were being ignored by the current panel.
If the current panel are standing on ceremony and saying that City can't amend ANY argument they hadn't previously given notice of prior to the hearing, that's a very dangerous course for this panel to follow, bearing in mind the "unlawfulness" which has already been found within the rules.
That to me is contrary to natural justice, and a recipe for further litigation, especially when taking account of the strength of that 1st tribunal panel, who came down very strongly in City's favour - irrespective of the subsequent misleading narrative of the P.L. and the media generally.
Of course, the P.L. lawyers could accept and recognise that finding of unlawfulness if they wished - and allow City to use that finding - if they were reasonable, but they can't (yet!) risk all the 115 charges falling apart and being thrown out, I guess, so the argument will continue.... for a while - but I wonder if it's going to dawn on the P.L. soon that they need to close this all off very quickly now; settle with City; then redefine ALL the relevant rules?
What a can of worms we've opened.
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We don’t want any settlements. We want a complete end to everything. Big, big difference. Why can some people not see this?
 
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petrusha said:
I hope that there'll be declaratory relief in the form of anm order that the PL isn't to try to operate some form of the APT rules while the clubs decide how they should be amended in the light of them currently being unlawful. They have the absolute bloody-minded arrogance to try and, of course, I may be missing something that the Panel might regard as important.

However, I simply don't see how these rules could work in any meaningful way when there's a fucking great big shareholder-loan-shaped hole in them at present*. I therefore assume City will fight any such move by the PL with appropriate force.

* - Apologies to fellow users of the board for my recourse here to the sesquipedalian intricacies of the technical lega argot.
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Ha, had to AI the meaning, you may carry on :)
 
lonestay said:
Newcastle are keeping quite because they are hoping that after the nuclear winter that's approaching the prem, they can step in with big money and control football in the UK and not look like the bad guys .
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I don’t doubt Newcastle will be hoping they spend

I think we had prepared for this from the minute we abstained.
 
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