City launch legal action against the Premier League | City win APT case (pg901)

[I'm Blue]

Blackmail this is not , a simple case of clubs looking after their own interests.

Correct me if I’m wrong but the premier have told clubs that if they vote in favour of the premier league then interest on shareholder loans will not be backdated.
Sounds like blackmail to me.

 

[Keeper!]

Correct me if I’m wrong but the premier have told clubs that if they vote in favour of the premier league then interest on shareholder loans will not be backdated.
Sounds like blackmail to me.

That's the rumour but we don't know what is going on.

Whatever happens if the rules are passed today and the inquiry in the coming days confirms they are illegal then the PL is royaly %ucked.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Shareholder loans could put them over the edge in terms of ATP.

This is now down to $$$$$$ and the clubs will be utterly selfish and to be fair I have no problem with that.

We have not taken this action for the good of football, we are looking after our interests just like the rest.

I understand that. Well actually, I don't, it seems to me that is too simplistic because the new rules don't impact PSR directly do they? It's just rules to apply to "APT" transactions going forward?

And even if they do affect PSR directly, and the PL can tell clubs that the effect won't be applied retroactively for PSR, then doesn't that question the whole lawfulness of the FFP/PSR rules for a treatment of shareholder loans that is anti-competitive from 2013-2024? I have no doubt that Everton would benefit from that.

I just get the impression there is a lot more going on than we know about yet, and it would be wiser for the PL and the clubs to keep their powder dry until there is more clarity. Including clubs who may be hit by the new shareholder loan rules.

I just don't see an upside to voting now. For anybody, not even the cartel clubs.

 

[Keeper!]

I understand that. Well actually, I don't, it seems to me that is too simplistic because the new rules don't impact PSR directly do they? It's just rules to apply to "APT" transactions going forward?

And even if they do affect PSR directly, and the PL can tell clubs that the effect won't be applied retroactively for PSR, then doesn't that question the whole lawfulness of the FFP/PSR rules for a treatment of shareholder loans that is anti-competitive from 2013-2024? I have no doubt that Everton would benefit from that.

I just get the impression there is a lot more going on than we know about yet, and it would be wiser for the PL and the clubs to keep their powder dry until there is more clarity. Including clubs who may be hit by the new shareholder loan rules.

I just don't see an upside to voting now. For anybody, not even the cartel clubs.

"I just don't see an upside to voting now. For anybody, not even the cartel clubs."

100% ^ this, utter madness whatever side your on, but again we are not aware of the whole story.

 

[halfcenturyup]

"I just don't see an upside to voting now. For anybody, not even the cartel clubs."

100% ^ this, utter madness whatever side your on, but again we are not aware of the whole story.

That's the thing for me.

It's so obvious that the PL should be waiting before voting that the downside for them not waiting must be significantly worse than the upside. And the upside is looking stupid and incompetent and voting for rules that will very quickly be immediately unenforceable for a number of reasons.

So what could that downside possibly be? I can't help thinking it must be something really significant .... and the majority of clubs who aren't on either side in this dispute shouldn't get involved yet.

 

[waspish]

That's the thing for me.

It's so obvious that the PL should be waiting before voting that the downside for them not waiting must be significantly worse than the upside. And the upside is looking stupid and incompetent and voting for rules that will very quickly be immediately unenforceable for a number of reasons.

So what could that downside possibly be? I can't help thinking it must be something really significant .... and the majority of clubs who aren't on either side in this dispute shouldn't get involved yet.

The only reason why I can see they doing it is to make Man City look bad in the media again! All optics by the usual clubs!

They vote it through today and city take them to court again it be big bad city again all in the media article galore!

 

[halfcenturyup]

The only reason why I can see they doing it is to make Man City look bad in the media again! All optics by the usual clubs!

They vote it through today and city take them to court again it be big bad city again all in the media article galore!

Possibly, but it's pretty weak and, so far at least, has been wholly unsuccessful.

 

[Whether or not]

The only reason why I can see they doing it is to make Man City look bad in the media again! All optics by the usual clubs!

They vote it through today and city take them to court again it be big bad city again all in the media article galore!

You might be right. But who is it that ultimately looks bad. The organisation that keeps acting illegally, or the member who challenges that illegality and keeps winning. Even the cartel know the truth of the situation. And all the time the independent regulator lobby looks on.

My personal view is that the PL are playing for time, hoping we are found guilty of enough charges to kick us out, hence problem solved. If the commission is genuinely independent that simply won’t happen, but the PL don’t appear to have a plan B.

 

[waspish]

You might be right. But who is it that ultimately looks bad. The organisation that keeps acting illegally, or the member who challenges that illegality and keeps winning. Even the cartel know the truth of the situation. And all the time the independent regulator lobby looks on.

My personal view is that the PL are playing for time, hoping we are found guilty of enough charges to kick us out, hence problem solved. If the commission is genuinely independent that simply won’t happen, but the PL don’t appear to have a plan B.

Come on we know which side the media is on and will be on after the vote! There maybe one or two saying you can't have unlawful rules but the majority of the media will be giving it city again!

 

[Gordyola]

Irrespective of what this hack thinks the Premier League can't introduce rules that are unlawful. The crux of the matter is that anything they introduce or try to introduce must be compatible with UK law.

Not certain but, its dependent upon the interpretation of when the issue of the interest free loans ruling is applied, City believe that it should be retrospective or, at the very least, immediately whereas the PL want to introduce a period of grace. This is why City want to wait for the tribunal to rule, something that both parties, it is believed, have asked for.