City launch legal action against the Premier League | City win APT case (pg901)

[Cobwebcat]

I think your reference to identifying "hidden gems" raises some interesting questions. Brighton haven't actually won anything and they haven't finished in the top four or qualified for Europe so it's right to ask whether the "model" can actually identify A list players, and if so how many. And no team does appear to be able to operate at all successfully in this way over a long term. What appears to draw attention to BHA is that a number of clubs appear to have failed more spectacularly with a policy of paying big fees for "established" players and this too seems to be risky as a "model" (we know who the failures are, don't we!)

It depends on what you regard as successful. All data will highlight the real top of the tree, let’s say Haaland, but there is no way that Brighton can afford them so they are looking for players at a lower level but are better than other clubs think. They are then in Brighton/Brenford’s shop window for other richer clubs to buy.

It’s very difficult for Brighton and Brentford to win the PL as you still ultimately need lots of money to compete as we know! Even Villa spent a lot.

United are the opposite in the last 15 years. All the cash no idea. It wouldn’t astonish me if Brighton finished above United this year.

I think it’s possible for say Brighton to finish top four one day (though very difficult given monetary constraints) but their target at the moment is to finish top 10 every year. That is success for them right now.

A club the size of Brentford are doing astoundingly well just to stay in the PL more than a season and they’ve done it all by being different to the vast majority of yo-yo clubs, in fact all of them.

 

[Pward]

Manchester City have their (historically contested) place at the PL/European top table. They are (now) rightly one of the biggest clubs in world football. They have extraordinary resources and great strategy/operational structures behind them. They’re a fantastic club with the best manager in world football (unlike Chelsea/United). But (hopefully) many of your fanbase may remember playing at the Goldstone. Brighton are a ‘small’ club but a ‘fabulous’ club trying to operate in a world of hedge funds, ex-oligarchs and (YES) clubs backed by petro-states (whether you like it or not). We are NOT FUCKING Southampton and it’s not JUST fucking moneyball. Lazy poxy narrative.

There needs to be a complete RESET of football governance with competitiveness at its heart… FUCK ALL chance of that happening.

 

[The Stockport Iniesta]

Manchester City have their (historically contested) place at the PL/European top table. They are (now) rightly one of the biggest clubs in world football. They have extraordinary resources and great strategy/operational structures behind them. They’re a fantastic club with the best manager in world football (unlike Chelsea/United). But (hopefully) many of your fanbase may remember playing at the Goldstone. Brighton are a ‘small’ club but a ‘fabulous’ club trying to operate in a world of hedge funds, ex-oligarchs and (YES) clubs backed by petro-states (whether you like it or not). We are NOT FUCKING Southampton and it’s not JUST fucking moneyball. Lazy poxy narrative.

There needs to be a complete RESET of football governance with competitiveness at its heart… FUCK ALL chance of that happening.

You could have used a Blue heart at the end.

 

[salfordbluetrue]

Manchester City have their (historically contested) place at the PL/European top table. They are (now) rightly one of the biggest clubs in world football. They have extraordinary resources and great strategy/operational structures behind them. They’re a fantastic club with the best manager in world football (unlike Chelsea/United). But (hopefully) many of your fanbase may remember playing at the Goldstone. Brighton are a ‘small’ club but a ‘fabulous’ club trying to operate in a world of hedge funds, ex-oligarchs and (YES) clubs backed by petro-states (whether you like it or not). We are NOT FUCKING Southampton and it’s not JUST fucking moneyball. Lazy poxy narrative.

There needs to be a complete RESET of football governance with competitiveness at its heart… FUCK ALL chance of that happening.

Nice to have a different perspective on. but what is your view on City suing the PL, what do you think we will get, and who do you think will pay.
It does concern you, what is your view.

 

[paulchapo]

Manchester City have their (historically contested) place at the PL/European top table. They are (now) rightly one of the biggest clubs in world football. They have extraordinary resources and great strategy/operational structures behind them. They’re a fantastic club with the best manager in world football (unlike Chelsea/United). But (hopefully) many of your fanbase may remember playing at the Goldstone. Brighton are a ‘small’ club but a ‘fabulous’ club trying to operate in a world of hedge funds, ex-oligarchs and (YES) clubs backed by petro-states (whether you like it or not). We are NOT FUCKING Southampton and it’s not JUST fucking moneyball. Lazy poxy narrative.

There needs to be a complete RESET of football governance with competitiveness at its heart… FUCK ALL chance of that happening.

I remember a time when almost any team could win the title. I've no idea when that changed. I'd like to say when the premier league started but Liverpool dominated the eighties before that.
Many of us old school Blues don't particularly like the way modern football has gone but it's bloody good to be top dogs for once.
I doubt there's any going back now and a European/world super league is going to be inevitable one day.

 

[Pward]

You could have used a Blue heart at the end.

I’m 60 fucking 3 - lucky to get a red heart

 

[MadchesterCity]

And don't we know it!

Hacked our database that’s how

 

[Pward]

Nice to have a different perspective on. but what is your view on City suing the PL, what do you think we will get, and who do you think will pay.
It does concern you, what is your view.

The APT’s are at the heart of City’s charges. Your increase in revenues year on year were remarkable in the early 2010s. Said b4 on this forum that it’s completely understandable why City ‘might’ have historically acted in the way they allegedly did because the deck WAS/IS stacked against non-establishment clubs. Now you are at the TOP of the top table it’s only right that your club decided that attack is the best form of defence. BUT APTs if unchecked will kill any remaining semblance of competition equality unless market value is agreed (many are waiting to exploit this). City are an exemplary model of a brilliantly run Uber-elite club but many want to strangle you because of how you ‘might’ have got your top-table seat.

As far as Brighton go… we have a billionaire Brightonian at the helm who’s in it for the long term. Bloom’s granddad was deputy chairman in the 70s under chairman Mike Bamber who brought Clough/Taylor/Mullery to the club. We’re just trying to compete in a world (as previously stated) inhabited by Hedge Funds, Ex-Oligarchs and Petro-States. It’s a far cry from Joe Corrigan warming down with pints of wine while Swales and Bamber chewed the fat in the executive lounge at a dilapidated Goldstone.

 

[Gone for a Burton]

.......or join the Nottingham Forest & Everton fan sites as sleepers and innocently raise the point.

Imo ....it requires an organised & concerted media presence to constantly state and restate the facts in the simplist of terms.

Successful Marketing, Advertising & Propaganda is largely about a frequent,consistent and simple message !!

Martin Samuel & Steffan Borsen are our predominant protagonists but we need help from even more educated, informed,impartial voices .

 

[cheekybids]

Manchester City have their (historically contested) place at the PL/European top table. They are (now) rightly one of the biggest clubs in world football. They have extraordinary resources and great strategy/operational structures behind them. They’re a fantastic club with the best manager in world football (unlike Chelsea/United). But (hopefully) many of your fanbase may remember playing at the Goldstone. Brighton are a ‘small’ club but a ‘fabulous’ club trying to operate in a world of hedge funds, ex-oligarchs and (YES) clubs backed by petro-states (whether you like it or not). We are NOT FUCKING Southampton and it’s not JUST fucking moneyball. Lazy poxy narrative.

There needs to be a complete RESET of football governance with competitiveness at its heart… FUCK ALL chance of that happening.

Many football fans get pissed off when lazy poxy narratives are used that fail to truely understand who or what their club is or are about. (Backed by petro states)

Every club has a right to challenge & on this forum you will hear how the red cartel have conspired to stop real challengers.

However I’d like to defend the comparison to Southampton from an opposing fan & how it’s coming as a concern. Here is the last league table prior to Pep arriving. The lazy poxy narrative is that he took over a winning team but I digress.

Clearly Southampton were doing things right they had been bringing so much talent through their academy but then they clearly had a great scouting department when you consider the spine Fonte, Van, Dyke, Wanyama, Mane all being sold for big prices & when the replacements aren’t as good or something happens in the background the decline can happen quick. It’s unfair but a word of caution is the platitudes from the media about doing it the ‘right way’ is their opinion of you not being a threat. City were everyone’s 2nd club & patted on the head whilst playing at the Goldstone & yo-yoing the leagues. There was no concern about sustainability when you didn’t have a ground.

Now back on track, this thread is about City taking the Prem league to court & the media have used Bloom to create a lazy poxy narrative. I don’t think he said a lot wrong but do you have any thoughts on why & if it’s a good thing.