City launch legal action against the Premier League | City win APT case (pg901)

mancboy said:
will never happen and it will show how racist the likes of delaney, harris and their ilk are if all these people like joe 90 and keys believe in fairness as much as they claim to and that big bad city are unfairly winning then lets see your moral outrage over this or is it okay cos its white american owners doing this?
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They'll just report that the scum are that massive they are fine losing tens of millions last fives seasons!
 
Dannyblue52 said:
So we are told. They lost 115.5 million in 2022, 28.6 million in 2023 and 113.3 in 2024 giving a 3 year total of £257.4 million. Clubs are allowed £105 million over 3 years. Not one question has been asked by the press. Just a comment that they are expected to comply after allowances are made. My understanding is allowances are for Infrastructure,community, women's football, youth development ,depreciation and covid. So which section does the sale come under? The covid alowance and this are bent as fuck. Where's the investigation? Evidence should be required. The other Clubs should be all over this demanding an investigation and subsequent charges. Let's see if any so called investigative journalist do their job. Don't hold your breath.
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We have to 'agitate' through guys like Samuel & Steffan.
 
Cobwebcat said:
Yes I will try as I can see that some posters are equally confused or putting it down to luck.

The short answer is watch the film Moneyball.

The longer answer is that Benham and Bloom own companies that specialise in taking money off bookmakers using primarily the Asian Market. They do this by knowing the likely outcome of football games better than the bookmakers. Their companies are called Starlizard (Brighton and Bloom) and Smartodds (Brentford and Benham). Both owners have a lot in common and used to work with each other. Both are Mathematical geniuses and are billionaires because of it. Both bought the clubs they support.

More importantly both owners have used their companies to come up with algorithms to find undervalued players from all over the World. Each company probably has around 100 people working for them (I’m guessing as they are secretive organisations) That dwarfs every other data analytics departments in every other club in the World and their algorithms are more accurate than anyone else’s.

They work differently from other clubs. As an example Brentford have no Academy as richer clubs were just nicking their players. The process is to find undervalued players by looking at Underlying statistics and plugging them into their mathematical models. They buy them but then must sell them at a profit. This profit goes to buy better players and so on and so on.

I’ve seen posters compare them to Southampton and say they have no ambition. They’re nothing like Southampton who had a very good Academy.

Brighton and Brentford want to sell their best players they just want to sell them at huge profits. For every player and, for that matter, every member of staff (including the Manager) they have three ready made replacements should they need them. I wonder if that includes tea ladies? Brentford famously sacked a Manger who appeared to be doing well because they knew, using underlying statistics, that the Manager had been lucky and knew that could not continue. The fans went mad but Benham was correct.

Neither club can compete financially with clubs like City so they have to find a different way. If they try to copy City they will lose. Over the years just about every club now has a data department doing what Brighton and Brentford do just not as well understandably.

The key is that the whole club needs to invest in the idea, the Manager included.Its no good having data if the Manager won’t listen and thinks it’s all nonsense because they once played football.

There is a book just come out called How to win the Premier League that shows how Liverpool had a data department that was very good but Brendan Rodgers preferred to go off gut instinct whereas Klopp saw the benefit of analytics and was used to sharing power from his days at Dortmund.

Liverpool have a very good analytical team as do City now but Brighton and Brentford are better because of what their owners do.

It’s not all about data. You have to know the player will settle and isn’t a dickhead and the players has to fit the way the Manager wants to play, but it’s a big help.

You can read about Bloom and Benham all over the internet if you are interested.
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Thank you, very informative and it certainly makes sense how they manage to do it when you understand just how they're operating.

It does sound a remarkably involved system requiring a huge level of cohesion and commitment to the process from all the playing and management and backroom staff.
 
jacko74 said:
I still don't really understand how it can even work in the first place as a business model, without the much bigger clubs identifying and snatching up these hidden gem players before the likes of Brighton or Brentford even get chance.

I suppose it is, as you say, just down to luck.. I imagine all small clubs try to identify hidden gems but occasionally the stars align for certain clubs and they manage to have a run of unearthing an exceptional number of just such players.
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I think your reference to identifying "hidden gems" raises some interesting questions. Brighton haven't actually won anything and they haven't finished in the top four or qualified for Europe so it's right to ask whether the "model" can actually identify A list players, and if so how many. And no team does appear to be able to operate at all successfully in this way over a long term. What appears to draw attention to BHA is that a number of clubs appear to have failed more spectacularly with a policy of paying big fees for "established" players and this too seems to be risky as a "model" (we know who the failures are, don't we!)
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
And don't we know it!
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I bought it together with the new Pep book. My only complaint being the title given that we won it 6 out of 7! However, the number of times he has to say “second only to Manchester City” makes me smile as does his reference that United spend just as much as City but on bad players.
 
So United have proved again that the rules are in place to suit them and the red cartel.

Must be so frustrating for Everton/Forest fans who've been punished seeing other clubs escape unscathed despite losing more!
 
jacko74 said:
Thank you, very informative and it certainly makes sense how they manage to do it when you understand just how they're operating.

It does sound a remarkably involved system requiring a huge level of cohesion and commitment to the process from all the playing and management and backroom staff.
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One of the ways they control it is if you aren’t on board you tend to get moved on pretty quickly.
 
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