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[inbetween]

Yes and no. Yes rags failed UEFA ffp and got a slap, and the pl have ignored that and aren't investigating it unlike Chelsea.
Yes rags fail the pl rsp ffp but we're allowed to do a deal with the chairman of the pl who they vetted for the job on the first place to allow a 75million over rsp ffp.

Why other clubs aren't kicking of about this is bizarre

The problem is they're all indoctrinated to believe that United and the others should be able to do anything because that's how it used to be. They only have to look at what our owners have done for east Manchester. I mean bloody hell, there are conference teams trying to play Pep's football, none of this would of happened.

I'm not confident we'll win the league this year because we didn't really buy well over the summer and now we've lost our best player. How they can call us cheats is just ridiculous. We haven't even been in the top 10 spenders for 5 years now. Crystal Palace and Forest have net spent more on transfers than we have over the last 5 years!

United meanwhile have spent net £550m, Chelsea £750m and neither barely have a trophy between them!! And it's us ruining the transfer market and football! The rest is just an argument over whether a club and its owner should be allowed to spend its own money.

If they want to moan about competition and spending then they need to look at it this way. 2 years ago United could of spent £15m like we did on Akanji but instead they spent £500k a week on Ronaldo. Akanji played a major part of us winning the treble and Ronaldo sulked off to Saudi, that's on them and that's why they're shite and can't compete.

The whole saga is utterly pathetic.

 

[Keeper!]

Absolutely reprehensible that those questions aren’t being hypothesised in the media now.

100% it is, amazing that the adage, innocent until proven guilty is not used where we are concerned.

 

[Chris-NCL]

What puzzles me is why 'smaller' clubs voted for ffp. Surely that makes their club less inviting to a new owner or investor.

Newcastle fan here.

Anyway, the teams like Palace etc are happy to vote with the Red tops (Spurs, and Chelsea included) because FFP to them means that they get to lock out teams below them, and it gives them a greater ability to just stay in the league. They will never rock the boat, and so long as there is a Burnley, Luton, and Sheffield United ready to drop down, they are happy.
The strange thing is that their own fans don’t realise it.

Brighton, and Brentford are happy for now because they can sell their players, and still replace them. Things will change though once teams they want to buy from suddenly want more money from them, or bigger sell on clauses. It will only take a couple of flops, and/or other teams beating them to players, and suddenly things may change for them.

It’s amazing how blind to it other clubs fans are. It’s as if Man Utd haven’t been buying the league since the 50’s, Liverpool didn’t start buying it since the 70’s on the back of someone who introduced off course gambling to the U.K., and has done arguably caused the damage to the U.K. society by a non government person other than Murdoch.

They also like to forget that the likes of Liverpool, and Man Utd tried to steal football a few years ago with ‘Project big picture’, then again with the ESL. Both clubs should have been thrown out of English football just for that.
On top of that, I think in time people will start to realise how much damage Klopp has done to the Premier League by pressuring the 5 subs rule, then getting officials to give 2 months of stoppage time in games where they need a goal.

All in all, I can’t wait until they try and create the ESL again, a chance to boot them out of English football once and for all.

 

[blueparrot]

Newcastle fan here.

Anyway, the teams like Palace etc are happy to vote with the Red tops (Spurs, and Chelsea included) because FFP to them means that they get to lock out teams below them, and it gives them a greater ability to just stay in the league. They will never rock the boat, and so long as there is a Burnley, Luton, and Sheffield United ready to drop down, they are happy.
The strange thing is that their own fans don’t realise it.

Brighton, and Brentford are happy for now because they can sell their players, and still replace them. Things will change though once teams they want to buy from suddenly want more money from them, or bigger sell on clauses. It will only take a couple of flops, and/or other teams beating them to players, and suddenly things may change for them.

It’s amazing how blind to it other clubs fans are. It’s as if Man Utd haven’t been buying the league since the 50’s, Liverpool didn’t start buying it since the 70’s on the back of someone who introduced off course gambling to the U.K., and has done arguably caused the damage to the U.K. society by a non government person other than Murdoch.

They also like to forget that the likes of Liverpool, and Man Utd tried to steal football a few years ago with ‘Project big picture’, then again with the ESL. Both clubs should have been thrown out of English football just for that.
On top of that, I think in time people will start to realise how much damage Klopp has done to the Premier League by pressuring the 5 subs rule, then getting officials to give 2 months of stoppage time in games where they need a goal.

All in all, I can’t wait until they try and create the ESL again, a chance to boot them out of English football once and for all.

This may be true, but before the take over weren’t Newcastle one of the clubs voting for the rules that now hamper you.

 

[PPT]

This may be true, but before the take over weren’t Newcastle one of the clubs voting for the rules that now hamper you.

Yes they were. But for the very reasons he states.

 

[inbetween]

Newcastle fan here.

Anyway, the teams like Palace etc are happy to vote with the Red tops (Spurs, and Chelsea included) because FFP to them means that they get to lock out teams below them, and it gives them a greater ability to just stay in the league. They will never rock the boat, and so long as there is a Burnley, Luton, and Sheffield United ready to drop down, they are happy.
The strange thing is that their own fans don’t realise it.

Brighton, and Brentford are happy for now because they can sell their players, and still replace them. Things will change though once teams they want to buy from suddenly want more money from them, or bigger sell on clauses. It will only take a couple of flops, and/or other teams beating them to players, and suddenly things may change for them.

It’s amazing how blind to it other clubs fans are. It’s as if Man Utd haven’t been buying the league since the 50’s, Liverpool didn’t start buying it since the 70’s on the back of someone who introduced off course gambling to the U.K., and has done arguably caused the damage to the U.K. society by a non government person other than Murdoch.

They also like to forget that the likes of Liverpool, and Man Utd tried to steal football a few years ago with ‘Project big picture’, then again with the ESL. Both clubs should have been thrown out of English football just for that.
On top of that, I think in time people will start to realise how much damage Klopp has done to the Premier League by pressuring the 5 subs rule, then getting officials to give 2 months of stoppage time in games where they need a goal.

All in all, I can’t wait until they try and create the ESL again, a chance to boot them out of English football once and for all.

To be fair, anybody could argue that United bring in their own income which is fair enough.

However, even if United bring in X income, what's the argument? Is that to say that it's better and fairer for United to win the league and get the best players because of their income? It's a shit argument and it reduces football to nothing more than an excel spreadsheet.

If anything, the only way to break the Premier League in terms of competition is to allow clubs to compete and unfortunately in this day and age that means allowing them to spend money.

Look at your club Newcastle, you had a big investment and you could be challenging the top 4 but that's now probably never going to happen. It can only happen if your owners find ways to bring in sponsor money to allow that investment but apparently that is cheating.

Look at the Wrexham story, it's amazing but if city are cheats then aren't Wrexham exactly the same? It's sad what the accountants and corporate clowns are doing to football and it's even worse that the fans are buying into it too.

 

[Chris-NCL]

This may be true, but before the take over weren’t Newcastle one of the clubs voting for the rules that now hamper you.

We still are voting that way sometimes.

It’s a bit of hypocrisy to be honest, because it was our takeover which opened our eyes to it, and a lot of your fans warning us of it during our takeover saga.
I guess I could spin it back and say if our takeovers happened the opposite way round, it could have been your fans doing the same.

 

[Newman Noggs]

We still are voting that way sometimes.

It’s a bit of hypocrisy to be honest, because it was our takeover which opened our eyes to it, and a lot of your fans warning us of it during our takeover saga.
I guess I could spin it back and say if our takeovers happened the opposite way round, it could have been your fans doing the same.

On your last point, when a Russian oil billionaire took over Chelsea so they could compete, I think most fans were delighted to see some competition to the red shirts.

 

[Chris-NCL]

To be fair, anybody could argue that United bring in their own income which is fair enough.

However, even if United bring in X income, what's the argument? Is that to say that it's better and fairer for United to win the league and get the best players because of their income? It's a shit argument and it reduces football to nothing more than an excel spreadsheet.

If anything, the only way to break the Premier League in terms of competition is to allow clubs to compete and unfortunately in this day and age that means allowing them to spend money.

Look at your club Newcastle, you had a big investment and you could be challenging the top 4 but that's now probably never going to happen. It can only happen if your owners find ways to bring in sponsor money to allow that investment but apparently that is cheating.

Look at the Wrexham story, it's amazing but if city are cheats then aren't Wrexham exactly the same? It's sad what the accountants and corporate clowns are doing to football and it's even worse that the fans are buying into it too.

Thing is, if Man Utd never bought the league starting in the 50’s, then again in the 90’s, would they have the income they do now to be able to argue that?

The same old story with football and all sports, right from PNE first paying their players. In every sport, it’s always been the same reason why one team is better than the other, money. I could go around the corner to the notorious Meadowell estate and find you a dozen people who have the great ability to race a car, but it was Hamiltons dad with the money and the F1 connections that allowed him to go go-carting since the age of 4 and made him into a champion.
Football isn’t about to introduce a global spending and wage cap, nor is it going to introduce rules that you can only field players who were raised within a certain radius of the club, a la Bilbao. Until they do either, I’ll forever argue that it’s unfair to simply get to a point and cut off the people who have money, from those who don’t.

 

[Chris-NCL]

On your last point, when a Russian oil billionaire took over Chelsea so they could compete, I think most fans were delighted to see some competition to the red shirts.

Possibly true, however after so many years people just realised it was the same old same old. Could you imagine how utterly shit the Premier League would have been if you guys never got took over and took their place?
The London hooligans, the London whingers, the Dublin Scousers, and the Ken dolls all fighting it out to be top.