City launch legal action against the Premier League | Club & PL reach settlement | Proceedings dropped (p1147)

[Shirley]

Here are the talking points on what and why City is doing this

City are taking legal action against the Premier League - what does it all mean?

Manchester City are opening a new front in their legal battle with the Premier League

www.nytimes.com

That link opens the athletic which is simply a rag and dipper fanzine.

 

[supercity88]

I’d be amazed if it’s United , Liverpool , Arsenal , Spurs , Villa , Newcastle and Chelsea who have sided with the PL , those , aswell as City are the biggest losers if these sanctions are allowed to continue, I doubt it if it’s the likes of Wolves , Palace et al that have sided with City , but at the end of the day these restrictions affect all PL clubs , all City are doing is telling the PL to fuck off for everyone’s benefit aren’t they?, there seems to be a 50/50 split , I don’t see Everton or Forest voting against us , they’ve been shafted more than any club with these rules the PL have dreamt up. It’s one rule for all that City are after.

The rules we are challenging aren't the newly proposed ones. They're ones that brought in a rule on related people and fair value on sponsorship, which was specifically introduced after Newcastle's takeover. Their owners seem to prefer to play ball off the pitch for now, but I would be stunned if they weren't the club supporting us on this.

Everyone else under American ownership panicked. The media are reporting this as if those clubs are owned by paupers. It's simply the fact they don't want to have to spend more money investing in their clubs to make profit. And they don't have the business acumen to secure revenues like we could.

 

[M12Blue]

Not sure how serious this is so happy to be corrected by the forum big wigs but the original report was very hyperbolic and we are just challenging a Premier League rule with the rules set out by the Premier League. Hardly a Civil War that will shake the foundations of the league.

The accusations of bias and racism are very strong though only if we have concrete evidence to back it up. It may lead to people resigning but I doubt there is a house of cards that is going to tumble down if the tribunal finds in our favour. The accusations of racism just add a little colour to our complaint but would just demonstrate one person was racist rather than the system is.

Glad to see the club standing up for itself but unless we are challenging the majority rule stuff in general rather than again adding colour I'm not sure how damaging this will be to the EPL if they lose

I think calling our CEO a terrorist is more than enough evidence of rascism

 

[KS55]

It's a criticism of democracy. See India.
Or Israel. Not Britain where FTPT has meant tyranny of the minority.

In the US, the electoral college runs that risk. After all Clinton beat Trump in the popular vote but Trump disastrously won in the college.

 

[jim tolmies perm]

Yes. The tyranny of the majority has always been my criticism of Utilitarianism. The greatest good to the greatest number sounds fine until you ask: “But what happens to minorities.?” Utilitarians like Jeremy Bentham never answered this question. In the nineteenth century women were treated as a minority and the women’s suffrage movement both here and in the US had to overcome utilitarian ideas in smug parliaments. That in itself was a huge struggle.

You make a great point but as someone with a utilitarian outlook in general I don't think it applies here. It's straight forward bullying , hypocrisy and even racism. I would like to think utilitarianism has moved on since Bentham and has adopted more inclusivity to those minority groups.

 

[supercity88]

The discrimination point I can't see standing up, but it's worth making anyway.

The fair value point is the big issue, but whether this arbitration can decide on it is for more qualified people to determine.

The key point with sponsorship is that we can make a strong business case on it being a heavy sum initially on the basis we will grow the club. Inflated value on day 1 but below market value on years 5-10. And based on our growth in the previous decade we have delivered and some. Going from no trophies for 35 years to absolutely dominating domestically, winning the treble and the Club World Cup to become the most successful English side ever.

The American owners are just playing a very good game of suggesting those rules make things unfair when they could easily do exactly the same if they put their money where their mouth is.

 

[KS55]

The rules we are challenging aren't the newly proposed ones. They're ones that brought in a rule on related people and fair value on sponsorship, which was specifically introduced after Newcastle's takeover. Their owners seem to prefer to play ball off the pitch for now, but I would be stunned if they weren't the club supporting us on this.

Everyone else under American ownership panicked. The media are reporting this as if those clubs are owned by paupers. It's simply the fact they don't want to have to spend more money investing in their clubs to make profit. And they don't have the business acumen to secure revenues like we could.

I think only Everton currently are not part of a multi club ownership set up. Many of these groups are just as rich as Mansour, at least in terms of how much you need to support clubs royally. How rich is Fenway?

 

[Gingers Dad]

Tebas must be delighted that the PL is actually destroying itself from a position of extreme supremacy.

No competitive organisation should ever have a big say in the rules of a tournament in which they have a participant. It’s asking for trouble.

The PL totally lost the plot when they started deducting points for non-football related matters this season. That was an overreach of their administration.

 

[cheekybids]

The disingenuous way in which the press are reporting this is to be expected what they are failing to do is give it any context, what city are basically saying is that it is unfair that anybody decides how much money we get to earn and that these rules have only just been put in place to stop us and that is anticompetitive, in no other business in the world does an independent body get to decide the value of something, that is basic economics that the market sets the value, eg quite frankly if any journalists over 10 quid a year then in my opinion they are overpaid and their wages should be cut but i dont set the value and that is why.

The fact that they are failing to explain that the adjustment proposed for protectionism is being challenged as it’s against UK law, if it was legal arbitration wouldn’t be happening.

 

[TonyColemansbagofapples]

I’ve forgotten which comic it was that gave out a cardboard sheet with ladders for all four divisions and a marker for each team to slot in. Early every Sunday morning, I snaffled our Sunday Express and adjusted my ladders. Magic.

It was Shoot and they were called League Ladders

 

[KS55]

Think it was 'The Tiger' with Roy Race of Melchester Rovers.

The only man to have come on late in the cup final and scored a hat trick having scored a century for England before lunch at Lords. Suspect he won an Olympic gold the same day.

 

[herrock]

Just heard Henry Winter say that we should be celebrating City's success and not embarrassing the premier league with this .
Well Henry, i have seen no celebrating of City's success other than from city fans, just constant sniping. This has probably fueled the latest development

 

[CatMan]

I've read a few pages, but haven't noticed the answer I am seeking so I will ask:-

Is this action City is taking being heard by an independent British court, that will judge under the same criteria any British business can expext, or is this (like the 115) being arbitrated under some PL organised panel?

 

[mancboy]

I've read a few pages, but haven't noticed the answer I am seeking so I will ask:-

Is this action City is taking being heard by an independent British court, that will judge under the same criteria any British business can expext, or is this (like the 115) being arbitrated under some PL organised panel?

This is a legal action and the arbitration will be heard by a judge who will hold them to the same laws as any british business which is entirely citys case to be fair that the pl rules do not comply with anti competition law in the uk

 

[mancboy]

Yes. The tyranny of the majority has always been my criticism of Utilitarianism. The greatest good to the greatest number sounds fine until you ask: “But what happens to minorities.?” Utilitarians like Jeremy Bentham never answered this question. In the nineteenth century women were treated as a minority and the women’s suffrage movement both here and in the US had to overcome utilitarian ideas in smug parliaments. That in itself was a huge struggle.

the greater good generally only exists to serve that those that consider themselves 'greater'

 

[tizzerp]

It was Shoot and they were called League Ladders

Glory days. At the beginning of the season, or at any point actually, you could set it up in the way you dreamed it would be, City at the top of course, little did I know back then...

 

[halfcenturyup]

I've read a few pages, but haven't noticed the answer I am seeking so I will ask:-

Is this action City is taking being heard by an independent British court, that will judge under the same criteria any British business can expext, or is this (like the 115) being arbitrated under some PL organised panel?

It's a section X arbitration under the PL rules which is as close to a CAS arbitration you will get under the rules. So the PL chooses an arbitrator, the club chooses an arbitrator and the chair is chosen by those two.

 

[KS55]

Just heard Henry Winter say that we should be celebrating City's success and not embarrassing the premier league with this .
Well Henry, i have seen no celebrating of City's success other than from city fans, just constant sniping. This has probably fueled the latest development

He’s two faced is our Henry. He needs to decide what philosophy of competition he actually believes. If he favours genuine open competition he should welcome our action. If he believes competition should be limited, he would favour the current rules. He’s always put on this air of superiority and knowing something nobody else does. Public school?

 

[mancboy]

Just heard Henry Winter say that we should be celebrating City's success and not embarrassing the premier league with this .
Well Henry, i have seen no celebrating of City's success other than from city fans, just constant sniping. This has probably fueled the latest development

and herein lies the problem, this is how the pl has got to where it is, the cartel and pl want us to know our place, you have won a few while we get rules in place to stop you, now know your place and shut up and thats all they want and all it will ever be unless someone stands up.

 

[mancboy]

He’s two faced is our Henry. He needs to decide what philosophy of competition he actually believes. If he favours genuine open competition he should welcome our action. If he believes competition should be limited, he would favour the current rules. He’s always put on this air of superiority and knowing something nobody else does. Public school?

he should be in government, he really does think he knows better despite having no evidence or knowledge to back that attitude up.