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Sir Jim Ratcliffe wants Manchester United to decide on their stadium plans by December and favours a new facility with a capacity of 100,000 that would cost more than £2bn and take about six years to complete. That would be constructed next to Old Trafford, allowing the use of the existing venue until the new one is ready.

Six fucking years? That’s nearly twice as long as it took to rebuild Wembley from scratch and that seemed to go way over schedule.

They just built a whole new housing estate near me in about 18 months.

Don’t think I’d be planning on doing anything that takes six years at scruffy Jim’s age anyway.
 
On the point regarding matchday ticket prices, I am totally onside with the case that they are far too expensive. I have told the Club that numerous times.

I believe that this is already in the public domain, but we have secured agreement with the Club that any returned tickets from the away side will be sold for £30. This is common sense really, given that you would assume that City will have accounted for a £30 sale within their business plan, but I hope it can help out some of our fans who wouldn't be able to attend otherwise.
 
Six fucking years? That’s nearly twice as long as it took to rebuild Wembley from scratch and that seemed to go way over schedule.

They just built a whole new housing estate near me in about 18 months.

Don’t think I’d be planning on doing anything that takes six years at scruffy Jim’s age anyway.

6 years from now more likely. 4 years to build with all the planning and groundwork before then.
 
On the point regarding matchday ticket prices, I am totally onside with the case that they are far too expensive. I have told the Club that numerous times.

I believe that this is already in the public domain, but we have secured agreement with the Club that any returned tickets from the away side will be sold for £30. This is common sense really, given that you would assume that City will have accounted for a £30 sale within their business plan, but I hope it can help out some of our fans who wouldn't be able to attend otherwise.
Doesn't the business plan also include having a certain amount from the purchase of season tickets but the club charges full price for tickets listed on the exchange. Most will be sold for well above the 1/19 of ST price returned to the fan listing the ticket.
 


Good post from CM - putting a price freeze on SCs to the club nice and early. Also asking to scrap the £150 charge on Flexigold memberships.
 


Good post from CM - putting a price freeze on SCs to the club nice and early. Also asking to scrap the £150 charge on Flexigold memberships.

I wonder if Angela Worrall, the SC rep, was on board with those CM requests? She refused to sign the CM statement opposing this season's price increases as she was happy with the price of her SC.
 
I wonder if Angela Worrall, the SC rep, was on board with those CM requests? She refused to sign the CM statement opposing this season's price increases as she was happy with the price of her SC.
Surely she is there to represent the views of the majority of her constituents, regardless of her personal opinion.
 
I wonder if Angela Worrall, the SC rep, was on board with those CM requests? She refused to sign the CM statement opposing this season's price increases as she was happy with the price of her SC.
I recall someone on here the other week saying she was entitled to her view! While that's true, when you represent tens of thousands of people you need to be putting forward the views of those people first and foremost. I don't know Angela but from the snippets I have read over the past several months, it doesn't appear to me that she's fulfilling her duty of representing SC holders.
 
Surely she is there to represent the views of the majority of her constituents, regardless of her personal opinion.
Of course she should. I'm happy with the price of mine as a FOC in SS3 only buying one but many other supporters are paying far more and for family members too. The club is pushing as hard as it can to increase ticketing revenue year on year and supporter groups need to oppose this as much as possible.
 
I wonder if Angela Worrall, the SC rep, was on board with those CM requests? She refused to sign the CM statement opposing this season's price increases as she was happy with the price of her SC.
It's telling that CM published this publicly on their X account to ensure fans know the points have been raised. Especially so early in the season. They're wanting to get a head start so ticket prices aren't sprung on us with no time to react (like what happened last season).

I think, on this one, we can't single Angela out because the post has gone out on behalf of CM as a group (of which she is part). It's not named the supportive and unsupportive reps, so IMO, that shows all reps are on board, right?
 
It's telling that CM published this publicly on their X account to ensure fans know the points have been raised. Especially so early in the season. They're wanting to get a head start so ticket prices aren't sprung on us with no time to react (like what happened last season).

I think, on this one, we can't single Angela out because the post has gone out on behalf of CM as a group (of which she is part). It's not named the supportive and unsupportive reps, so IMO, that shows all reps are on board, right?
Well hopefully she has reflected on her lack of support a few months ago.
 
Well hopefully she has reflected on her lack of support a few months ago.
Fingers crossed. I firmly believe the club work on a divide and conquer strategy with price rises. Some fans have minimal rises and other extortionate. It disrupts our fanbase from having a unified voice. It's absolutely integral that we fight price rises and ensure the normal, working class fan can attend games.

Flexigold is a much bigger issue in my opinion and their second tweet in that thread says the club only plan to offer FG seasoncards going forward - £150 price rise by stealth!
 
Fingers crossed. I firmly believe the club work on a divide and conquer strategy with price rises. Some fans have minimal rises and other extortionate. It disrupts our fanbase from having a unified voice. It's absolutely integral that we fight price rises and ensure the normal, working class fan can attend games.

Flexigold is a much bigger issue in my opinion and their second tweet in that thread says the club only plan to offer FG seasoncards going forward - £150 price rise by stealth!
There’s a danger mate that the continued criticisms of flexi-golds are what one could describe as Angela Worrell behaviour. The vast majority of Blues seem happy with their flexi- golds, would welcome a reduction in the start up
Payment, but are being told by pressure groups that their memberships or season cards are second rate. Is this the “tyranny of the minority” lol.

Btw I’m in favour of a mixture of full season cards and flexi goods in the expanded North Stand. If Blues can show they want to attend the vast majority of home games, including matches against the “lesser teams” in midweek, they have earth a season card.
 
There’s a danger mate that the continued criticisms of flexi-golds are what one could describe as Angela Worrell behaviour. The vast majority of Blues seem happy with their flexi- golds, would welcome a reduction in the start up
Payment, but are being told by pressure groups that their memberships or season cards are second rate. Is this the “tyranny of the minority” lol.

Btw I’m in favour of a mixture of full season cards and flexi goods in the expanded North Stand. If Blues can show they want to attend the vast majority of home games, including matches against the “lesser teams” in midweek, they have earth a season card.
I think you are over egging the criticism of Flexi Golds actually. Clearly they are far superior for those supporters who want to go to most or all games as the saving on match day prices is huge plus they are guaranteed the same seat for every game. Those on here that got one or more of the 600 released for this season were delighted for obvious reasons. The fact is though that the club has reduced the overall numbers of SCs/Flexis in the last few seasons as more can be made selling at match day prices. Also a Flexi Gold has an additional 'fee' attached to it and it isn't exactly the same as a traditional SC. It is a great solution for the commercial management of the club.....less benefits for more money.
 
There’s a danger mate that the continued criticisms of flexi-golds are what one could describe as Angela Worrell behaviour. The vast majority of Blues seem happy with their flexi- golds, would welcome a reduction in the start up
Payment, but are being told by pressure groups that their memberships or season cards are second rate. Is this the “tyranny of the minority” lol.

Btw I’m in favour of a mixture of full season cards and flexi goods in the expanded North Stand. If Blues can show they want to attend the vast majority of home games, including matches against the “lesser teams” in midweek, they have earth a season card.
I've spoken to 3 1894 members who are all FG card holders and all three reiterate the point that they would prefer a normal seasoncard. They got their FG card to 'get on the ladder'.

I honestly do not understand any benefit to FlexiGold (compared to a normal SC). I've yet to hear a valid argument in their favour. My views are:

- they are more expensive (£150 if you attend every game)
- they are less flexible (you have to sign in 3 weeks early and buy a ticket for every game)
- you cannot transfer to friends/family for league games
- no access to ticket exchange for league games

Flexigold is far less flexible and more expensive. It's the only option to many fans who've never had a seasoncard so they don't understand why it's worse (they are comparing FG to a matchday membership).

If the club offered every seasoncard holder the chance to change their ticket to FlexiGold, I honestly think less than 1% would. If the club truly wants to offer flexibility, give fans the choice of FG or normal SC OR as a minimum, drop the £150 charge.
 
I think you are over egging the criticism of Flexi Golds actually. Clearly they are far superior for those supporters who want to go to most or all games as the saving on match day prices is huge plus they are guaranteed the same seat for every game. Those on here that got one or more of the 600 released for this season were delighted for obvious reasons. The fact is though that the club has reduced the overall numbers of SCs/Flexis in the last few seasons as more can be made selling at match day prices. Also a Flexi Gold has an additional 'fee' attached to it and it isn't exactly the same as a traditional SC. It is a great solution for the commercial management of the club.....less benefits for more money.
Exactly, great post. Flexigold is better than a match day membership. It's absolutely not comparable to a seasoncard though.
 
I think you are over egging the criticism of Flexi Golds actually. Clearly they are far superior for those supporters who want to go to most or all games as the saving on match day prices is huge plus they are guaranteed the same seat for every game. Those on here that got one or more of the 600 released for this season were delighted for obvious reasons. The fact is though that the club has reduced the overall numbers of SCs/Flexis in the last few seasons as more can be made selling at match day prices. Also a Flexi Gold has an additional 'fee' attached to it and it isn't exactly the same as a traditional SC. It is a great solution for the commercial management of the club.....less benefits for more money.
It’s been a great solution for many fans too. There’s several Blues, including young families, on my Supporters Club coach that are delighted to
Have flexi- golds. They wouldn’t be able to make all midweek games so the flexi-golds are ideal. City just need to reduce the set payment.

It’s easy to be Grinches telling other Blues that they have non or second class season cards when in fact they are ideal for many people.

People will criticise the season card rep on City Matter with just cause but turn a blind eye to assuming fans views on flexi-golds / accidentally misrepresenting them
 
one of the issues that the club could have help with but refused with the first City matters iteration was to support CM reps polling via the city mailing list it's easy to do and CM even offered to get an independent body to over see the questions and feedback

The fact is no one really knows what the majority of fans think about prices food drink expansion ect
the OSC was also offered the same facility to gauge thier members run by MMU stats staff but said no
until we have some independent engagement with fans it will always be down to the views of the reps...

or straw polls here or with the1894.
A wider view is needed after all a large % of fans responding to proper consultation would be a powerful driver of change .
Most large orgs do this routinely.

I understand the club doesn't want to ask but until we do something the don't ask properly policy will allow any group to claim they are representing fans and the club can say your just a few out oftens of thousands, or its someone pursuing a personal agenda.
A better example of groundhog day would hard to create
 
There is absolutely no reason why City should be charging fans an extra £150 to buy a season ticket, never mind a club regulated Fexi-Gold season ticket.

As other fans have constantly pointed out, it's just another excuse by the club to increase revenues via stealth, and then to paint it as something positive when selling Flexi-Gold season tickets on the OS. Read the guff put out by the club.

Flexi-Gold that was dreamt up, implemented, and signed off by the very Directors and Managers at City who take part in the meetings with the City Matters Reps.

I bet not one of those Directors and Managers at the City Matters meetings can a give a justified reason why they introduced the £150 additional charge, bar from admitting it's to increase season ticket revenues, on top of season ticket price rises, and they will never admit that.
 
QUESTION -:

Has the question of making SS2 & 3 City only, by the relocation of away fans down to ESL1/SSL1 (round the corner flag), ever been raised with the club.

It can be achieved without compromising the licencing/GMP protocols and with very little capex.

Relocated City fans would be in a more atmospheric location and still be close to (above) away fans.

Two City ends will be much more atmospheric than one, the matchday experience will be more energetic and attractive, the team could be more motivated and sponsors would prefer a big atmosphere not a mausoleum.

How does such a proposal get on to CMs agenda ?
 

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