City vs Bayern Munich Post match Thread

Good analysis of the match here:

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.zonalmarking.net/2013/10/02/manchester-city-1-3-bayern-munich-bayern-dominate-midfield-through-numbers-pressing/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.zonalmarking.net/2013/10/02/ ... -pressing/</a>

Pretty damning assessment of Pellegrini's tactics.
 
Ric said:
Good analysis of the match here:

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.zonalmarking.net/2013/10/02/manchester-city-1-3-bayern-munich-bayern-dominate-midfield-through-numbers-pressing/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.zonalmarking.net/2013/10/02/ ... -pressing/</a>

Pretty damning assessment of Pellegrini's tactics.

I think that is why there is so much anger Ric, it was so obvious he had got it spectacularly wrong and did nothing to correct it
 
Ducado said:
Ric said:
Good analysis of the match here:

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.zonalmarking.net/2013/10/02/manchester-city-1-3-bayern-munich-bayern-dominate-midfield-through-numbers-pressing/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.zonalmarking.net/2013/10/02/ ... -pressing/</a>

Pretty damning assessment of Pellegrini's tactics.

I think that is why there is so much anger Ric, it was so obvious he had got it spectacularly wrong and did nothing to correct it

This is the Conclusion:
A little bit embarrassing the truth be told.

'Put simply, City and Pellegrini appeared extremely naive here, with their two strikers not contributing anything defensively in the first half. This meant Bayern had the run of the midfield, and when Nasri was sucked inside they had space to exploit down the right, too.

Bayern’s pressing was also crucial in their dominance – they won the ball high up, denying City the opportunity to put together passing moves, or knock the ball in behind the Bayern defence.

Pellegrini explained his lack of changes after the game. “I think we were trying to play in a different way – I think that they had possession of the ball and I don’t think we can make the change to [get] 5% [more] of possession – David Silva was just maximum for 20-25 minutes, when he went in, we had more possession.”

But that suggests he had no other options. Milner could have been introduced earlier with Nasri moving inside to help in the midfield battle, while Javi Garcia was another option – Toure could have been moved higher. Bayern are a fine side, but City shouldn’t have been outplayed so conclusively.'
 
Guys, if you allow, a few remarks from a Bayern fan.

First of all: Chin up! It was just one game. Your team is better than that.

A few words about yesterdays game before I get to my main point: As you have all stated Pellegini got his strategy utterly wrong. Either he overestimated his team (resp. underestimated Bayern), or he didn’t really study properly the tapes. I cannot remember Bayern having so much space in midfield, that must have been ages ago. Bayern is vulnerable to teams that close down the midfield, stay very compact, and run breaks with skill and speed. Which is why we don’t look too good when we play Dortmund or Chelsea. But that requires all players defending, something neither Dzeko nor Kun really do convincingly. Next time, with another strategy, and different players you will look much better against Bayern.

Now my main point: Your situation now reminds me a lot on Bayern in April 2009. We won the Bundesliga the year before. We eased through the CL group stage without a loss and 14 points, we rolled over Sporting Lisbon with 12-1 on aggregate in first knock-out round. And then we ran into Barca, and got spanked like never before. They hammered us 4-0 in Barcelona but it should have been 8-0 to be fair. We were completely clueless, couldn’t get to ball, just watched them celebrating their football fest. And the worst thing about it? We thought we had a really good team!! Well, of course our manager (Klinsmann) got his strategy deadly wrong, but also we had to realize that we just cannot match them in any regard. Klinsmann got fired soon after, but that alone didn’t solve the problem. A bit later Philipp Lahm, not even captain then, moved forward and gave an interview to a big newspaper where he blaimed the whole club for not having a philosophy, a masterplan, an idea about what kind of football Bayern wants to play. This infamous interview got him a club record fine, I think in the £50,000 region. But the bosses then did the smartest thing they could have done: They hired as the new manager a “football teacher” as they called it: Louis van Gaal, nowadays the manager of the Dutch national team. Boy, van Gaal is an arrogant asshole, trust me. I’m pretty sure nobody on the planet likes him, probably not even his wife. But the guy has balls and an idea about football! He schooled the team in what he calls position play. He hired Robben in order to play both wings like Dutch teams love to do. He teached and teached. It took a bit of time but it paid off big way. Eventually he won the double and got us close to the treble before we lost the 2010 CL final to Mourinho's counter attacking Inter. One problem with him was that he did not care much about defence. And also that he pissed off exactely everybody he worked with. But he also discovered from the youth system the likes of Mueller, Alaba, and Badstuber, and also he put Schweinsteiger from the wing into the CM spot where he is shining today. Eventually he got fired in April 2011 when really nobody could stand him anymore. But he laid the ground to what essentially still is Bayern’s style of play as off today. It might be worth to mention that he did a similar thing to Barca, where he was succeeded by Riykaard and eventually Guardiola. Many people there still see him as the founder of this post-Cruyff Barca.

What I want to say is: You have a squad with a lot of very skilled players. Honestly among the best squad’s in the world. But that doesn’t make a brilliant team by default. What you need even more than skill is a plan and an identity. An idea what kind of football you want to play now and in the near future. Without that you will still have enough quality players to win a lot of games, even a cup or a championship every now and then, but you won’t build a constant force that is able to win it all. Maybe Pellegrino is too old for that, or just the wrong manager in the first place, you know better than me. From my point of view I’d think you only needed the right “teacher” and a bit of patience, just like Bayern in 2009. With this recipe we have achieved 3 CL finals in 4 years. And the world looks pretty bright at the moment.

Maybe you should check with Frank Rijkaard. I never quite inderstood why he was never again coaching a big club. A Dutch coach is not a bad thing at all, trust me. And I’m a German saying that! Mark van Bommel once was asked why Dutch coaches are so much in demand, he said: “We are a small country with comparably few players. In order to be competetive we have to think a lot about football.”

Just my two cents.
 
Tiberius said:
Guys, if you allow, a few remarks from a Bayern fan.

First of all: Chin up! It was just one game. Your team is better than that.

A few words about yesterdays game before I get to my main point: As you have all stated Pellegini got his strategy utterly wrong. Either he overestimated his team (resp. underestimated Bayern), or he didn’t really study properly the tapes. I cannot remember Bayern having so much space in midfield, that must have been ages ago. Bayern is vulnerable to teams that close down the midfield, stay very compact, and run breaks with skill and speed. Which is why we don’t look too good when we play Dortmund or Chelsea. But that requires all players defending, something neither Dzeko nor Kun really do convincingly. Next time, with another strategy, and different players you will look much better against Bayern.

Now my main point: Your situation now reminds me a lot on Bayern in April 2009. We won the Bundesliga the year before. We eased through the CL group stage without a loss and 14 points, we rolled over Sporting Lisbon with 12-1 on aggregate in first knock-out round. And then we ran into Barca, and got spanked like never before. They hammered us 4-0 in Barcelona but it should have been 8-0 to be fair. We were completely clueless, couldn’t get to ball, just watched them celebrating their football fest. And the worst thing about it? We thought we had a really good team!! Well, of course our manager (Klinsmann) got his strategy deadly wrong, but also we had to realize that we just cannot match them in any regard. Klinsmann got fired soon after, but that alone didn’t solve the problem. A bit later Philipp Lahm, not even captain then, moved forward and gave an interview to a big newspaper where he blaimed the whole club for not having a philosophy, a masterplan, an idea about what kind of football Bayern wants to play. This infamous interview got him a club record fine, I think in the £50,000 region. But the bosses then did the smartest thing they could have done: They hired as the new manager a “football teacher” as they called it: Louis van Gaal, nowadays the manager of the Dutch national team. Boy, van Gaal is an arrogant asshole, trust me. I’m pretty sure nobody on the planet likes him, probably not even his wife. But the guy has balls and an idea about football! He schooled the team in what he calls position play. He hired Robben in order to play both wings like Dutch teams love to do. He teached and teached. It took a bit of time but it paid off big way. Eventually he won the double and got us close to the treble before we lost the 2010 CL final to Mourinho's counter attacking Inter. One problem with him was that he did not care much about defence. And also that he pissed off exactely everybody he worked with. But he also discovered from the youth system the likes of Mueller, Alaba, and Badstuber, and also he put Schweinsteiger from the wing into the CM spot where he is shining today. Eventually he got fired in April 2011 when really nobody could stand him anymore. But he laid the ground to what essentially still is Bayern’s style of play as off today. It might be worth to mention that he did a similar thing to Barca, where he was succeeded by Riykaard and eventually Guardiola. Many people there still see him as the founder of this post-Cruyff Barca.

What I want to say is: You have a squad with a lot of very skilled players. Honestly among the best squad’s in the world. But that doesn’t make a brilliant team by default. What you need even more than skill is a plan and an identity. An idea what kind of football you want to play now and in the near future. Without that you will still have enough quality players to win a lot of games, even a cup or a championship every now and then, but you won’t build a constant force that is able to win it all. Maybe Pellegrino is too old for that, or just the wrong manager in the first place, you know better than me. From my point of view I’d think you only needed the right “teacher” and a bit of patience, just like Bayern in 2009. With this recipe we have achieved 3 CL finals in 4 years. And the world looks pretty bright at the moment.

Maybe you should check with Frank Rijkaard. I never quite inderstood why he was never again coaching a big club. A Dutch coach is not a bad thing at all, trust me. And I’m a German saying that! Mark van Bommel once was asked why Dutch coaches are so much in demand, he said: “We are a small country with comparably few players. In order to be competetive we have to think a lot about football.”

Just my two cents.

And an excellent 'two cents' worth it is , very good post ......

in my opinion , and i've been watching City 44 years , Bayern are THE best side to have ever visited us ..... we didn't help ourselves , we know that , but some of the stuff you played was exceptional , and was football at its very best ... you have some great players there.
 
Excellent post Tiberius. Van Gaal sounds similar to someone we once knew :))
 
nobody can eat fifty eggs said:
bayern blade said:
Tbf to City that was the best I've seen us play since Pep arrived. We've seen signs before in recent games but last night it clicked and we were simply superb, Robben and Ribery were unplayable. I agree with a lot of you though that City playing with two up front effectively made controlling the midfield much easier for us, and considering the midfielders we have that is obviously not a good idea.
As for Joe Hart well I don't want to be too critical on your forum but I said before the game that due to recent errors we should try banging in a few shots from long range, Ribery did just that and it paid off.
Congratulations on your side and its victory. That was one of the best performances I've ever seen, it made Barcelona look inferior. It really was a master class and it looked like you got your tactics spot on and we didn't. I take your point about peppering Hart with shots because he's not playing well enough at the moment and its this attention to detail that's made Pep the manager he is. For City to win last night it would have took all the players to be playing at 100% and for our tactics to be the same. It just never happened and against the best team in Europe you can expect a hammering like we got, in the end we got off lightly!
One question to you blade......How do you rate Dzeko? He's become a mystery to us City fans, how do you get the best out of him? He was fantastic in your league.

I honestly don't know mate. He was class at Wolfsburg and for a time we certainly wanted him, it's no secret that Dortmund are big admirers too. I expected him to be a big success for you, not sure why it hasn't really happened yet, he definately has the talent imo.

Edit : And thanks for your praise of our team.
 
bayern blade said:
nobody can eat fifty eggs said:
bayern blade said:
Tbf to City that was the best I've seen us play since Pep arrived. We've seen signs before in recent games but last night it clicked and we were simply superb, Robben and Ribery were unplayable. I agree with a lot of you though that City playing with two up front effectively made controlling the midfield much easier for us, and considering the midfielders we have that is obviously not a good idea.
As for Joe Hart well I don't want to be too critical on your forum but I said before the game that due to recent errors we should try banging in a few shots from long range, Ribery did just that and it paid off.
Congratulations on your side and its victory. That was one of the best performances I've ever seen, it made Barcelona look inferior. It really was a master class and it looked like you got your tactics spot on and we didn't. I take your point about peppering Hart with shots because he's not playing well enough at the moment and its this attention to detail that's made Pep the manager he is. For City to win last night it would have took all the players to be playing at 100% and for our tactics to be the same. It just never happened and against the best team in Europe you can expect a hammering like we got, in the end we got off lightly!
One question to you blade......How do you rate Dzeko? He's become a mystery to us City fans, how do you get the best out of him? He was fantastic in your league.

I honestly don't know mate. He was class at Wolfsburg and for a time we certainly wanted him, it's no secret that Dortmund are big admirers too. I expected him to be a big success for you, not sure why it hasn't really happened yet, he definately has the talent imo.

Edit : And thanks for your praise of our team.
If BvB are big admirers, I'd dangle him in front of them with some cash for Reus. Still, I can dream can't I? :)
 

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