City's speed and intensity

Mancini's tactics mean that pace, natural width and (to a lesser extent) intensity of play are not required to any real degree. This being the case we very rarely display it and the players Mancini purchases to fit in his system do not really possess these attributes.
 
ban-mcfc said:
bluemoonrising88 said:
SuperMario's Fireworks. said:
im sorry mate, but the rags were excellent, tactically spot on, they had more clear cut chances than madrid.
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I agree, they had far more chances and RVP should have buried them

to be honest if they continue in the champions league it might distract them from the league

But to be honest Mancini is a good manager but I dont think he believes in wingers or speed
he likes to play possession football and wear the opponents down. Teams have figured us out and not only do we need more players but we need a different style. Ever since Mancini game we lacked the intensity of a high calibre side. Not in all games but in most.
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possession football is a great technique, there's nothing wrong with our play BUT...

it's our ONLY style of play and teams find it easy to park the bus and hit us with pace on the break.

we need multiple attacking techniques IMO and pace in midfield to catch the opposition counters.
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THIS ! ! !
 
we played against RM with a counter tactic, whisch is at least a plan, but sometimes i think that we can't change the way we play even if we change the formation to 352.
if we were playing yesterday against anyone of RM or MU with the way we played this season, we would have lost the tie and made it hard for the return tie.
we need game changers, who give us pace/ width when needed. i would love to see us playing like dortmund, PSG, RM and even Ajax(like they played against us)
 
Basically what everyone is saying on this thread is that Mancini is tactically inept and/or signs the wrong players for his preferred system, personally I think his days are numbered.
 
The fastest thing on a football pitch is the ball. If you can pass accuratly it doesnt matter how fast you are.
 
I think last year showed how good we can be and we had no wingers back then. The speed at which Nasri and Silva etc moved the ball around in games last year meant we had no need for a winger. This season we have had injuries, tiredness and a bit of bad luck.

Mancini has wanted a technically gifted winger for a while hence our pursuit of Lavezzi, Sanchez and Hazard, now for whatever reasons we haven't got any of them and instead we just have Sinclair who is decent but not top class. Now you can say we should have backups for when they don't join but who's to say we did and Marwood couldnt get it done. I think Marwood fucked up a lot of what Mancini wanted to do hence his comments about him.
 
This very Real Madrid-esque goal, shame we don't do this more often:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdJTxWOFAiQ[/youtube]
 
bluemoonrising88 said:
Guys I am sure im going to get flamed for this but Im sorry I have to say it.

After watching the game between the rags and madrid I have to say I was asking myself how come we never play high intensity or high speed down the wings

we don't have one player who is capable of that, no speed or intensity.

Even last season in that famous qpr win, the intensity were coming from corners, we didn't have players running at people. Even Silva and more importantly Nasri - who I still think is a class player even if he hasn't reached the heights of Arsenal - just slows down the game. To be honest this season the only players ive seen trying to run at people would be Zabba and Aguero and sometimes Tevez

But other than that we are truly missing the wow factor, Im not one of the Mancini out folks but still the lack of intensity has to be down to him and not the players because the players cant have been letting him down all season?

I mean I wish we would play a bit more like Borussia Dortmund rather than try and copy Barcelona because as much as it pains me to say I dont think our midfield is on that level yet.

Thoughts?
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My thoughts exactly.

It struck me as far back as last season when we played Bayern away. The speed of them was amazing. Have noticed our pedestrianism ever since.
Nasri is a particular offender, IMHO.
 
if players are to slow to get back in position then we dont get the ball back. so faster players closing the ball down helps in two ways your possesion goes up and speed of play increases thus making more fluid football. So eredicate the imobile players andit will increase our tempo.
 
We did it for the first three months of last season with more or less the same personnel, ie no genuine pacey wingers. IMO it's either instruction from the manager to deliberately slow things down or the players' lack of desire and work rate to bust a gut to get forward quickly off the ball. Probably the former. You can sign all the pacey wingers you like, if the manager tells them to more or less stand still in the name of maintaining shape and if he tells them to concentrate on keeping possession with easy sideways balls rather than gambling with their passing and movement then it will more or less be the same. Just my opinion and I don't claim to be an expert so I could be talking bollocks.
 
I don't think there's anyone out there who doesn't think we are too slow particularly in the midfield.

Mancini knows this though, which is why he wanted to replace Lescott (plus his regular mistakes), and sign Hazard.
 
coulsonblue said:
I don't think there's anyone out there who doesn't think we are too slow particularly in the midfield.

Mancini knows this though, which is why he wanted to replace Lescott (plus his regular mistakes), and sign Hazard.
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Why on earth did he sign Garcia then? That guy makes Didi Hamman look fast.
 
Lancet Fluke said:
We did it for the first three months of last season with more or less the same personnel, ie no genuine pacey wingers. IMO it's either instruction from the manager to deliberately slow things down or the players' lack of desire and work rate to bust a gut to get forward quickly off the ball. Probably the former. You can sign all the pacey wingers you like, if the manager tells them to more or less stand still in the name of maintaining shape and if he tells them to concentrate on keeping possession with easy sideways balls rather than gambling with their passing and movement then it will more or less be the same. Just my opinion and I don't claim to be an expert so I could be talking bollocks.
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I'm no expert either (and could just as easily be talking bollocks :) ) but for what's it worth, I'd agree that too much is made of our lack of pace in terms of individual players. For me, it's more about the tempo at which we play. As you say, we didn't have any roadrunners in the team at the front end of last season, and we've shown at times this season that when we play aggressively, at a quick tempo, pressing hard and moving the ball quickly, teams can still barely live with us - e.g. 2nd half against Madrid (h), first 20 mins and last 50 mins against Utd, first half against Newcastle etc. The problem has been that we just haven't done it often enough - we've been too passive, whether it's instruction from the manager, whether it's a lack of confidence, whether it's just a lack of form on the part of our key players, is difficult to say. Perhaps a bit of all three. What's clear though is that to play that type of quick, aggressive, pressing game (Barca, Dortmund, Ajax etc.), you need real cohesion as a team, whereas we've too often looked disjointed.

All that said, I'd still make it a priority to go out and get a quick, direct wide attacker (Bale, or Bale-like) in the summer - not least to give us a different option.
 
Hamann Pineapple said:
Rascal said:
The fastest thing on a football pitch is the ball. If you can pass accuratly it doesnt matter how fast you are.
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Our midfield can't catch it though, which limits the option of the through ball
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Its very rare that we dont dominate possesion stats against anyone.

The one thing i have found is that if you have the ball the opposition cant score. In a strange coincidence we have the best defensive record in the prem.
 
I said this after the home game against Real, that game really struck home just how slow we are tbh.
 
Rascal said:
The fastest thing on a football pitch is the ball. If you can pass accuratly it doesnt matter how fast you are.
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really? so when you have'nt got the ball pace does'nt matter ? or when your running onto a ball or when your pressing lol
 
We do have players capable of that. That's how we played our best stuff of last season. Also last season all our attacking players received the ball facing the opposition goal, this season they always seem to be receiving the ball with thier back to that goal.
 
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