City's speed and intensity

[Moody]

Every team needs some players with pace look at ronaldo,messi,bale,di maria,pedro,walcott etc. all there teams benefit from the pace and movement it allows them to make! Speed is overrated is like saying mancini is a good tactician and man manager....

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

Every team needs some players with pace look at ronaldo,messi,bale,di maria,pedro,walcott etc. all there teams benefit from the pace and movement it allows them to make! Speed is overrated is like saying mancini is a good tactician and man manager....

Keep going. You'll soon be able to start your own fRED.

 

[crb]

Every team needs some players with pace look at ronaldo,messi,bale,di maria,pedro,walcott etc. all there teams benefit from the pace and movement it allows them to make! Speed is overrated is like saying mancini is a good tactician and man manager....

So pace is needed to be successful and we lack pace, how then did we win the league? Who are all these pacey players were missing from last season?

 

[greasedupdeafguy]

Would love someone like Fernandinho to give us some pace and quicker passing in the middle, Barry and especially Garcia are just to slow for me and is one of the big factors of why we have been so unsuccessful in Europe the past three years. Michael Bradley would be a decent signing as well imo excellent box to box midfielder.

Obviously a winger is needed just to give us a different option and give us some adaptability, Bale I think woud be eveyones first choice but very unrealistic. Nani although a **** ticks all the boxes for me for what are missing at the moment.

-- Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:31 pm --

Every team needs some players with pace look at ronaldo,messi,bale,di maria,pedro,walcott etc. all there teams benefit from the pace and movement it allows them to make! Speed is overrated is like saying mancini is a good tactician and man manager....

So pace is needed to be successful and we lack pace, how then did we win the league? Who are all these pacey players were missing from last season?

A pacy winger would just give us a different option something different when we need it, how many times have we struggled to break down team who park the bus like QPR and Sunderland.Might also get the best out of Dzeko.

 

[crb]

Would love someone like Fernandinho to give us some pace in the middle and quicker passing in the middle, Barry and especially Garcia are just to slow for me and is one of the big factors of why we have been so unsuccessful in Europe the past three years. Michael Bradley would be a decent signing as well imo excellent box to box midfielder.

Obviously a winger is needed just to give us a different option and give us some adaptability, Bale I think woud be eveyones first choice but very unrealistic. Nani although a **** ticks all the boxes for me for what are missing at the moment.

-- Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:31 pm --

Every team needs some players with pace look at ronaldo,messi,bale,di maria,pedro,walcott etc. all there teams benefit from the pace and movement it allows them to make! Speed is overrated is like saying mancini is a good tactician and man manager....

So pace is needed to be successful and we lack pace, how then did we win the league? Who are all these pacey players were missing from last season?

A pacy winger would just give us a different option something different when we need it, how many times have we struggled to break down team who park the bus like QPR and Sunderland.

AC Milan not many seasons ago were CL Winners x2 and runner up once, now I'm sure they wasn't blessed with pace especially in midfield, no doubt someone is gonna mention someone iv failed to remember.

 

[crb]

Would love someone like Fernandinho to give us some pace and quicker passing in the middle, Barry and especially Garcia are just to slow for me and is one of the big factors of why we have been so unsuccessful in Europe the past three years. Michael Bradley would be a decent signing as well imo excellent box to box midfielder.

Obviously a winger is needed just to give us a different option and give us some adaptability, Bale I think woud be eveyones first choice but very unrealistic. Nani although a **** ticks all the boxes for me for what are missing at the moment.

-- Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:31 pm --

Every team needs some players with pace look at ronaldo,messi,bale,di maria,pedro,walcott etc. all there teams benefit from the pace and movement it allows them to make! Speed is overrated is like saying mancini is a good tactician and man manager....

So pace is needed to be successful and we lack pace, how then did we win the league? Who are all these pacey players were missing from last season?

A pacy winger would just give us a different option something different when we need it, how many times have we struggled to break down team who park the bus like QPR and Sunderland.Might also get the best out of Dzeko.

A pacy winger would give us more options and boy do we lack those, but we've had Sinclair sat on the bench all season ok he's no world beater but he's proved more than capable in the league, if he can do it at Swansea his chances if looking better than he is should be enhanced playing in our side.

 

[B\connellblue]

While I agree entirely with the op about the need for width and pace, the only thing last night did for me was busted the myth that we were in a group of death. Real are miles behind Barcelona and Dortmond likewise behind the german rags. Mancini convinces everyone starting with himself that every opponent is difficult. He won't change or can't change whatever way you want to look at it. An amicable parting would be best for all. His place in our history has already been assured.

 

[greasedupdeafguy]

Would love someone like Fernandinho to give us some pace and quicker passing in the middle, Barry and especially Garcia are just to slow for me and is one of the big factors of why we have been so unsuccessful in Europe the past three years. Michael Bradley would be a decent signing as well imo excellent box to box midfielder.

Obviously a winger is needed just to give us a different option and give us some adaptability, Bale I think woud be eveyones first choice but very unrealistic. Nani although a **** ticks all the boxes for me for what are missing at the moment.

-- Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:31 pm --

So pace is needed to be successful and we lack pace, how then did we win the league? Who are all these pacey players were missing from last season?

A pacy winger would just give us a different option something different when we need it, how many times have we struggled to break down team who park the bus like QPR and Sunderland.Might also get the best out of Dzeko.

A pacy winger would give us more options and boy do we lack those, but we've had Sinclair sat on the bench all season ok he's no world beater but he's proved more than capable in the league, if he can do it at Swansea his chances if looking better than he is should be enhanced playing in our side.

Agree but it seems Mancini doesn't rate him and would rather send Full backs on to give us width.

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

Would love someone like Fernandinho to give us some pace and quicker passing in the middle, Barry and especially Garcia are just to slow for me and is one of the big factors of why we have been so unsuccessful in Europe the past three years. Michael Bradley would be a decent signing as well imo excellent box to box midfielder.

Obviously a winger is needed just to give us a different option and give us some adaptability, Bale I think woud be eveyones first choice but very unrealistic. Nani although a **** ticks all the boxes for me for what are missing at the moment.

-- Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:31 pm --

Every team needs some players with pace look at ronaldo,messi,bale,di maria,pedro,walcott etc. all there teams benefit from the pace and movement it allows them to make! Speed is overrated is like saying mancini is a good tactician and man manager....

So pace is needed to be successful and we lack pace, how then did we win the league? Who are all these pacey players were missing from last season?

A pacy winger would just give us a different option something different when we need it, how many times have we struggled to break down team who park the bus like QPR and Sunderland.Might also get the best out of Dzeko.

Pacy wingers against bus parkers ? Awesome.

 

[Anonymous]

We don't need pace and width to be successful, we just need speed and intensity in our passing and movement. If you move the ball quicker then it's hard to defend against, and the majority of the time we move the ball at a snails pace, especially this season.

First and foremost, that's spot on. We fundamentally need to move the ball quicker and play at a better tempo, because we know we can. The problem is you need every player to be at close to 100%. There's no question that even playing Mancini's way, if those players are at it, we are a fucking top side. We saw it last season.

We do need more pace in the side in general. Other than Yaya, and he's ageing, we don't have a midfield player who will burst past players, and we dont have an attacking midfield player who can do it either. In a way it's true that it's not necessary against the vast majority of league sides you face who will play with 9/10 players behind the ball. But against the better sides in the league, and in Europe, we've been exposed for not having this in our attacking armour.

 

[greasedupdeafguy]

Would love someone like Fernandinho to give us some pace and quicker passing in the middle, Barry and especially Garcia are just to slow for me and is one of the big factors of why we have been so unsuccessful in Europe the past three years. Michael Bradley would be a decent signing as well imo excellent box to box midfielder.

Obviously a winger is needed just to give us a different option and give us some adaptability, Bale I think woud be eveyones first choice but very unrealistic. Nani although a **** ticks all the boxes for me for what are missing at the moment.

-- Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:31 pm --

So pace is needed to be successful and we lack pace, how then did we win the league? Who are all these pacey players were missing from last season?

A pacy winger would just give us a different option something different when we need it, how many times have we struggled to break down team who park the bus like QPR and Sunderland.Might also get the best out of Dzeko.

Pacy wingers against bus parkers ? Awesome.

works for the likes of Munich, United etc

 

[crb]

Would love someone like Fernandinho to give us some pace and quicker passing in the middle, Barry and especially Garcia are just to slow for me and is one of the big factors of why we have been so unsuccessful in Europe the past three years. Michael Bradley would be a decent signing as well imo excellent box to box midfielder.

Obviously a winger is needed just to give us a different option and give us some adaptability, Bale I think woud be eveyones first choice but very unrealistic. Nani although a **** ticks all the boxes for me for what are missing at the moment.

-- Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:31 pm --

So pace is needed to be successful and we lack pace, how then did we win the league? Who are all these pacey players were missing from last season?

A pacy winger would just give us a different option something different when we need it, how many times have we struggled to break down team who park the bus like QPR and Sunderland.Might also get the best out of Dzeko.

Pacy wingers against bus parkers ? Awesome.

I agree but were not always playing against bus parkers & like iv mentioned I don't think physical pace is our problem but there's been many a game where having it as an option would have come in handy, we may aswell only have 6 subs on the bench.

-- Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:58 pm --

Would love someone like Fernandinho to give us some pace and quicker passing in the middle, Barry and especially Garcia are just to slow for me and is one of the big factors of why we have been so unsuccessful in Europe the past three years. Michael Bradley would be a decent signing as well imo excellent box to box midfielder.

Obviously a winger is needed just to give us a different option and give us some adaptability, Bale I think woud be eveyones first choice but very unrealistic. Nani although a **** ticks all the boxes for me for what are missing at the moment.

-- Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:31 pm --


A pacy winger would just give us a different option something different when we need it, how many times have we struggled to break down team who park the bus like QPR and Sunderland.Might also get the best out of Dzeko.

Pacy wingers against bus parkers ? Awesome.

works for the likes of Munich, United etc

Width and crosses into the box not standing outside there penalty area passing it sideways and backwards with no intent. The pace is there for a counter its called being flexible.


... I should stress the counter part comes from taking the lead via the width and balls into dangerous areas, once there in the lead the bus has to be moved and the pace is used for counters.

 

[brian the blue]

We don't need pace and width to be successful, we just need speed and intensity in our passing and movement. If you move the ball quicker then it's hard to defend against, and the majority of the time we move the ball at a snails pace, especially this season.

First and foremost, that's spot on. We fundamentally need to move the ball quicker and play at a better tempo, because we know we can. The problem is you need every player to be at close to 100%. There's no question that even playing Mancini's way, if those players are at it, we are a fucking top side. We saw it last season.

We do need more pace in the side in general. Other than Yaya, and he's ageing, we don't have a midfield player who will burst past players, and we dont have an attacking midfield player who can do it either. In a way it's true that it's not necessary against the vast majority of league sides you face who will play with 9/10 players behind the ball. But against the better sides in the league, and in Europe, we've been exposed for not having this in our attacking armour.

True, we do lack mobility in the middle of the park.

I always worry when I see both Barry and Javi Garcia in the same team. The signing of Garcia still baffles me to be honest, he has no real benefit to the team what so ever in my opinion, he seems quite good at breaking play up but the problem for him is actually keeping up with play. I'd rather have kept the £16mil.

*I don't intend to turn this into a Garcia bashing thread or anything, just using him to highlight our problems centrally.

 

[decmancity]

As I have said we can play with speed and intensity, we did it last year and we didn't have any raw pace from the midfield or wings.

This season our game has suffered because of injuries and the form of some players.

I think we need to stop flapping and looking for something we don't necessary need.

What I will say is that I agree with the need for some pace in midfield, I think this will be fixed in the summer. However if Rodwell can build some form and fitness he could be this player for us, I remember him being no slouch at Everton and played a box to box role there with pace and guile.

 

[crb]

I have a good feeling about Rodders call it blind faith if you will but i can see him being an important part of our team in the future. Just hope he doesn spend to much time on the treatment table.


... Try and ignore the fact I thought Danny Allsopp was gonna be a superstar :)

 

[BlueBas]

My problem this year is that I'm just not being entertained! Last year we always looked capable of putting in a performance. This year too much tinkering in deference has left it looking vulnerable & we never look like putting in an attacking display. So not enough goals or goal threat, despite an attacking force of Aguerro, Tevez, Dzeko with Silva and Nasri in support, and we barely create any clear cut attempts on goal, whilst always looking vulnerable at the back. For the first time in a long time (since days of Pearce!) I can't wait for the season to be over! I'm not looking forward to any match. I'm even dreading Leeds this Weekend! I used to say it's never boring being a City fan (you never knew what we were capable of) but this Season I'm bored & willing Mancini to release the tethers and let the team play like they are capable of (knowing he won't). I have even wondered if we ruin players, playing the pedestrian pace, making world class strikers look like they wouldn't make it in the Championship and making world class defenders look ordinary with goals that you wouldn't be happy conceding in a pub league!

 

[dom]

im sorry mate, but the rags were excellent, tactically spot on, they had more clear cut chances than madrid.

Yes they did the thread is about speed and intensity just pointing it out

Speed is one thing and we have very little throughout the team and there is nothing currently we can do about it. But intensity is something else and to a large degree comes from the manager and how he sets the team out to play.

There is nothing stopping us from playing the kind of game we do but with higher intensity.We need to move the ball quicker,we need better movement especially from midfield players going forward and we need to press hard and fast when we lose the ball.We do very little of this.

This and utterly this and I'm fed up with the fact that, to most fans, it's glaringly obvious but it doesn't change...

And don't giv me that guff about they are professional managers etcx..

We have a better team on paper than the rags,, but they are coached better

 

[crb]

My problem this year is that I'm just not being entertained! Last year we always looked capable of putting in a performance. This year too much tinkering in deference has left it looking vulnerable & we never look like putting in an attacking display. So not enough goals or goal threat, despite an attacking force of Aguerro, Tevez, Dzeko with Silva and Nasri in support, and we barely create any clear cut attempts on goal, whilst always looking vulnerable at the back. For the first time in a long time (since days of Pearce!) I can't wait for the season to be over! I'm not looking forward to any match. I'm even dreading Leeds this Weekend! I used to say it's never boring being a City fan (you never knew what we were capable of) but this Season I'm bored & willing Mancini to release the tethers and let the team play like they are capable of (knowing he won't). I have even wondered if we ruin players, playing the pedestrian pace, making world class strikers look like they wouldn't make it in the Championship and making world class defenders look ordinary with goals that you wouldn't be happy conceding in a pub league!

Is this the first season you've been bored? From Hughes leaving to the start of last season iv found our play to be typically Italian, I'm being polite there. And apart from 3-4months of being entertaining he reverted to type gradually but noticeably. Even those 3-4 months period he couldn't resist toning it down during CL games.

 

[NipHolmes]

Barca are what we aspire to, they have Pedro and Sanchez.

Bayern like to play, they have Ribery and Robben.

Nuff said.

Who has said this sort of football is what we aspire too?

Are we wanting the football that saw both Barca and Bayern not win their leagues last season?

How they getting on this season?

Both teams did well in CL too last year.

Terrible comeback.

We are adapting to 433 so of course we are planning to emulate. That starts with quicker players. Not saying they have to be full blown wingers but wide attackers with speed. It'll open the pitch up more and take pressure off Yaya and free up space for Silva more as opposition will have to track runners rather than bunch in midfield.

 

[Joey_Bluehart]

Barca are what we aspire to, they have Pedro and Sanchez.

Bayern like to play, they have Ribery and Robben.

Nuff said.

Who has said this sort of football is what we aspire too?

Are we wanting the football that saw both Barca and Bayern not win their leagues last season?

How they getting on this season?

Both teams did well in CL too last year.

Terrible comeback.

We are adapting to 433 so of course we are planning to emulate. That starts with quicker players. Not saying they have to be full blown wingers but wide attackers with speed. It'll open the pitch up more and take pressure off Yaya and free up space for Silva more as opposition will have to track runners rather than bunch in midfield.

There's only a limited amount of managers that specialise in that style of play. Bit risky to assume we're going to lure one?