Clattenburg watch. The derby...

What about the penalty and sending off on Otamendi,clear as day to me ?

Not to me. I've seen them given, but it was easy to miss.

Had the ref been clearly biased, there would have been lots of opportunity for us to be unfairly treated, and overall I think Clattenburg played it straight. He could easily have sent Bravo off, if he had an agenda. But he did not.
 
Not to me. I've seen them given, but it was easy to miss.

Had the ref been clearly biased, there would have been lots of opportunity for us to be unfairly treated, and overall I think Clattenburg played it straight. He could easily have sent Bravo off, if he had an agenda. But he did not.
If it was a sending off offence he could've but it wasn't.I'm certainly not gonna go by the agenda driven pundit opinion.Wasn't even a foul !
 
If it was a sending off offence he could've but it wasn't.I'm certainly not gonna go by the agenda driven pundit opinion.Wasn't even a foul !

Yes but if he was as bent as a lot say then he could have. He didn't. Other than not booking Rooney early he didn't get much wrong. Refs never get every single decision right.

It was a 7/10 performance for me from Clattenburg yesterday and in that type of game that's not bad.
 
NBC-SN was 3-2 no foul or penalty on Bravo. Robbie Mustoe, Kyle Martino, Lee Dixon no. Robbie Earle, Graeme Le Saux yes.
On Bailly/Otamendi, both Dixon and Le Saux said penalty. They never discussed in the studio (funnily enough) so don't know about the others.

Considering Rooney and Fellaini could both easily have got red cards, United could have finished with 8 men. Hard to argue that we even vageuly got the better of the ref decisions (although I agree there was no agenda or Clattenburg would have sent off Bravo).
 
This could be a problem regarding Pep not getting involved in questioning the ref's decisions.
If asked about the Bravo challenge or the Otamendi handball, he'd have just replied, "what about bailly with a clear foul from behind or shrek not being booked for persistent fouling and mouthing off at the ref", then I think those incidents might have got more airtime.
As it is, they make accusations and Pep says "no comment". The media can then peddle the myth that the rags were robbed.
Keeping a quiet dignity just leads ludicrous statements going unchallenged and then being accepted as fact if repeated enough times.
 
Only difference this season is that if it's a goal scoring opportunity and a penalty is given, it's a yellow card rather than red so long as

I believe Bravo would have still received a red if the pen had been given as the foul wouldn't have been for a goal scoring opportunity but would have been for excessive force and not being in control whilst tackling, same as Vinny was done for a couple of seasons ago. Some people seem to think you'll not get a straight red for a foul in the box this season but it's all dependent on the type of foul.
 
Think he did well to be honest we got a bit lucky on the bravo one and they got lucky with the bailey one and Rooney's constant fouls. Overall don't think he was for or against us.
 
This, his foot was high but didn't go in with studs although these days theres a few refs that might have seen it completely different. Its typical if the rag media to distract the public from the schooling we gave them in the first half.
May not be a bad thing in the long run because if they all really think that we were lucky to win that match then perhaps they won't see our boys as potential champions until it is way too late!!!
 
So the Turnip isn't brought up for his forearm smash and BBBB for his errant Elbows an gobbing. What a surprise!
 

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