Claudio Bravo - 2016/2017 performances (continued)

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avoidconfusion said:
De Gea was 20 years old when he joined United. Bravo was 33 when he joined City. De Gea had the luxury of "having time", Bravo hasn't in my opinion. When you send a proven, good enough goalkeeper like Hart away and replace him with a 33 year old who then flops and who has not shown even a glimpse of being better than Joe Hart at preventing goals... then you deserve getting a bit of stick I think.
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Mate, you need to get over this Joe was good enough thing. In any other system than Peps, not many would disagree, although Joe had a lot of mistakes in him, but for us today, Joe would be a disaster. He hasnt the calmness nor footballing ability to pull it off.
Bravo has all the facets in his game, we just haven't seen them this season for whatever reason, but he is an upgrade for what we are looking to achieve. For me, it is confidence, and with a better defence in front of him, I believe that will return.
 
When Pep came out and said that Claudio is one of the top three sweeper keepers in the world I interpreted that as he is going nowhere this summer.
 
mosssideblue said:
He just needs his confidence to return and we will be set
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I personally feel its gone past that now mate.

His head has completely gone and from the start, he has had the look of a man that had made a mistake in coming here and wasn't enjoying it one bit.

I cant see him being here next season at all despite what Pep will say about the lad.
 
mosssideblue said:
Mate, you need to get over this Joe was good enough thing. In any other system than Peps, not many would disagree, although Joe had a lot of mistakes in him, but for us today, Joe would be a disaster. He hasnt the calmness nor footballing ability to pull it off.
Bravo has all the facets in his game, we just haven't seen them this season for whatever reason, but he is an upgrade for what we are looking to achieve. For me, it is confidence, and with a better defence in front of him, I believe that will return.
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I don't agree, Joe would not have been any worse than Bravo has been. The fact that Bravo makes Caballero look great is proof enough for me.
 
doobyedoobye said:
When Pep came out and said that Claudio is one of the top three sweeper keepers in the world I interpreted that as he is going nowhere this summer.
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Pep always defends his players in public, even if he plans to kick them out tomorrow. Though judging by contract situation I expect us to give Bravo as many chances as possible to prove his worth till the end of season. It would be too difficult to move him for for a reasonable price, and he's potentially a very good 2nd/cup keeper.
 
BJL_City said:
Caballero has been decent enough to not need anyone else to look good. Don't do other players a disservice just to try and prove your point.
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That was not my point. Caballero has been good but let's not forget that he was No. 2 to Joe Hart... the point I was trying to make is that a keeper that was 2nd to Hart previously is better than Bravo.
 
avoidconfusion said:
That was not my point. Caballero has been good but let's not forget that he was No. 2 to Joe Hart... the point I was trying to make is that a keeper that was 2nd to Hart previously is better than Bravo.
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but he isnt though. Both keepers on form, and Willy will be 2 nd choice. Its only Bravo being out of form that gives your argument any standing imo
 
avoidconfusion said:
That was not my point. Caballero has been good but let's not forget that he was No. 2 to Joe Hart... the point I was trying to make is that a keeper that was 2nd to Hart previously is better than Bravo.
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it's subjective. Hart isn't as good as Willy is now, and I don't think he played any better than him for long periods of last season, they were both making plenty of errors till Willy's cup final heroics.
 
BJL_City said:
it's subjective. Hart isn't as good as Willy is now, and I don't think he played any better than him for long periods of last season, they were both making plenty of errors till Willy's cup final heroics.
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Hart isn't as good as our Willy I'm not having that one,Willy's what he is a decent back up keeper who now looks World class owing to how poor Bravo's turned out to be in games in the premier league.
 
mosssideblue said:
Mate, you need to get over this Joe was good enough thing. In any other system than Peps, not many would disagree, although Joe had a lot of mistakes in him, but for us today, Joe would be a disaster. He hasnt the calmness nor footballing ability to pull it off.
Bravo has all the facets in his game, we just haven't seen them this season for whatever reason, but he is an upgrade for what we are looking to achieve. For me, it is confidence, and with a better defence in front of him, I believe that will return.
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Why would Joe be a disaster? When have you seen him playing the way Pep plays? Once this season - where he had a 100 percent pass completion rate for city and for England under Southgate where he hasn't made a mistake with his feet either. You simply can not assume because a player is told to play one way (kick it long) under one manager that he can not adapt to a different approach. Granted Bravo may well be better at pinging the odd pass to a player in midfield but Joe would not be a disaster today - far from it because he would give a calmness to the defence and an ability to Marshall them into proper defensive positions rather than now where they are all over the place
 
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