gordondaviesmoustache
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Climate Change is here and man made
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BlueMoonAcrossThePond
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Climate change is real - and as a society - we must make radical changes to curb greenhouse gas emission to lessen the already huge burden that global warming is going to cause.
Predictably though - there's pushback. You can't see CO2. The temperature in your local area may seem similar to those in year's past. It's all to easy to blame increased solar output, cyclical warming, and other factors as natural causes for climate change. And failing that, it's easy to decry the apparent cost for adopting climate change reform.
Combating climate change is perceived to be inconvenient - ergo, unpopular; any pushback will be met with acclaim from some, as such pushback, if true, means less perceived personal sacrifice.
And so here we are.
Climate change is a political issue, with science on the one side, and those desiring personal convenience on the other.
Predictably though - there's pushback. You can't see CO2. The temperature in your local area may seem similar to those in year's past. It's all to easy to blame increased solar output, cyclical warming, and other factors as natural causes for climate change. And failing that, it's easy to decry the apparent cost for adopting climate change reform.
Combating climate change is perceived to be inconvenient - ergo, unpopular; any pushback will be met with acclaim from some, as such pushback, if true, means less perceived personal sacrifice.
And so here we are.
Climate change is a political issue, with science on the one side, and those desiring personal convenience on the other.
BimboBob
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Thank you professor.It’s real we can be 100% green and it will make zero effect all the major big countries need to do more or heading to the end!
Kazzydeyna
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I have no problem with working towards cleaner air , indee working towards a cleaner climate in general but I simply refuse to believe that barely a century of giving people a clean,safe, warm place to live in comparison to how it was before the turn of the last century has amazingly managed to “end life on our planet” within - some nutters claim - 25 years.Amazed that you can't imagine how a few billion engines starting up every day, pouting out exhaust fumes, and millions of acres of rainforest being removed and millions of tons of coal being burnt every day could affect our atmosphere.
The climate has been warming and cooling for billions of years before a single engine had even been invented. Sea levels raising and lowering likewise.
Taxing a working class family out of existence will not change one jot.
you could eradicate ALL man made CO2 overnight, literally not produce a single Molecule of the stuff by any non natural means worldwide and the amount of co2 in the atmosphere would drop by only a couple of percentage points at most.
it is a tax on the air we breathe. Paid for in vastly disproportionate amounts by working people. Meanwhile the people most loudly shouting about the need to make poorer peoples lives even harder carry on as before. They can well afford the draconian taxes levied in the name of “combatting climate change”. I suppose it clears the beaches of the med of horrible working class people. Those scum can fuck off to Scarborough for a couple of days and think themselves lucky.
Mr Kobayashi
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I have no problem with working towards cleaner air , indee working towards a cleaner climate in general but I simply refuse to believe that barely a century of giving people a clean,safe, warm place to live in comparison to how it was before the turn of the last century has amazingly managed to “end life on our planet” within - some nutters claim - 25 years.
The climate has been warming and cooling for billions of years before a single engine had even been invented. Sea levels raising and lowering likewise.
Taxing a working class family out of existence will not change one jot.
you could eradicate ALL man made CO2 overnight, literally not produce a single Molecule of the stuff by any non natural means worldwide and the amount of co2 in the atmosphere would drop by only a couple of percentage points at most.
it is a tax on the air we breathe. Paid for in vastly disproportionate amounts by working people. Meanwhile the people most loudly shouting about the need to make poorer peoples lives even harder carry on as before. They can well afford the draconian taxes levied in the name of “combatting climate change”. I suppose it clears the beaches of the med of horrible working class people. Those scum can fuck off to Scarborough for a couple of days and think themselves lucky.
And yet those who will feel the greatest adverse effects from climate change are the most impoverished people in the world invariably living in the global south or low lying Pacific Islands.
Taxes are a poor way to tackle climate change and actually achieve anything but legislators and policy makers trying to use them isn't evidence of this grand plan to shaft the working class by telling everyone the sky is falling down.
Kazzydeyna
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You’re correct about taxes.And yet those who will feel the greatest adverse effects from climate change are the most impoverished people in the world invariably living in the global south or low lying Pacific Islands.
Taxes are a poor way to tackle climate change and actually achieve anything but legislators and policy makers trying to use them isn't evidence of this grand plan to shaft the working class by telling everyone the sky is falling down.
using them is simply an attempt to rework the world in the way they want it to look using a fully natural and constantly recurring issue as the reason.
Anyway the football is about to start.
kashmir
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Climate change? I personally would call it climate cycles
Look back over history
Ice age (cold)
Romans grew grapes and made wine in uk(hot)
Ice fairs on the Thames where the river froze for weeks on end(cold)
The weather runs in cycles
If it’s that important why is everything related to it costs mega money and fortunes are being made by certain individuals and company’s who tell us they know best
Just follow the money
Most are only predicting the future but making sure we pay for it
Look back over history
Ice age (cold)
Romans grew grapes and made wine in uk(hot)
Ice fairs on the Thames where the river froze for weeks on end(cold)
The weather runs in cycles
If it’s that important why is everything related to it costs mega money and fortunes are being made by certain individuals and company’s who tell us they know best
Just follow the money
Most are only predicting the future but making sure we pay for it
Bill Walker
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Ahh.... classic conspiracy theorist.it is a tax on the air we breathe. Paid for in vastly disproportionate amounts by working people. Meanwhile the people most loudly shouting about the need to make poorer peoples lives even harder carry on as before. They can well afford the draconian taxes levied in the name of “combatting climate change”. I suppose it clears the beaches of the med of horrible working class people. Those scum can fuck off to Scarborough for a couple of days and think themselves lucky.
Ignore the experts, the scientists.
But believe the conspiracy.
Many heads of Governments getting together and agreeing to con their respective populations into paying more tax, whilst hoping only @Kazzydeyna will notice.
Ok.