denislawsbackheel
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The usual trap the uninformed and ignorant fall into.
Climate and weather are not the same thing.
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Climate Change is here and man made
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Climate and weather are not the same thing.
Mr Kobayashi
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And the willfully stupid. Richard Toll and Nobel prize winning William Nordhaus.The usual trap the uninformed and ignorant fall into.
Climate and weather are not the same thing.
Worth a watch for anyone who has the time.
PannickAtTheDisco
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The sea's exploded in Azerbaijan...
East Level 2
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Probably the contents of a sub-sea fuel pipeline rather than the sea itself, but "sea explodes" is a far better headline.The sea's exploded in Azerbaijan...
stonerblue
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How you gonna pay me out?Most working class people have a house with a fire or central heating.
Many have a car and many have a week or two abroad every year or two.
I know this as I am one of them and over the years have worked with many thousands of them.
100+ years ago this wasnt the case. Only the most affluent had warm houses, cars, and holidays. In those halcyon days the climate was perfect apparently.
What caused the millions and millions of temperature cycles that took place in the billions of years before the car was invented?
Climate change is a perfectly natural occurrence that has been happening constantly for billions of years.
I’ll bet anybody on this forum ten thousand pounds to a penny that the planet will still be tickling along perfectly nicely 25 years from today and won’t, in fact, have made human life extinct.
any takers?
Trevor Morley's Tache
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100+ years ago we were mostly burning dirty coal (high sulphur content) and the atmosphere around big cities and industrial areas was pretty toxic.Most working class people have a house with a fire or central heating.
Many have a car and many have a week or two abroad every year or two.
I know this as I am one of them and over the years have worked with many thousands of them.
100+ years ago this wasnt the case. Only the most affluent had warm houses, cars, and holidays. In those halcyon days the climate was perfect apparently.
What caused the millions and millions of temperature cycles that took place in the billions of years before the car was invented?
Climate change is a perfectly natural occurrence that has been happening constantly for billions of years.
I’ll bet anybody on this forum ten thousand pounds to a penny that the planet will still be tickling along perfectly nicely 25 years from today and won’t, in fact, have made human life extinct.
any takers?
The temperature cycles you speak of were gradual and almost a regular cycle. The fact that the beginning of the industrial revolution can be clearly pinpointed on the graph of global temperature trends (0 to 2019 AD) speaks volumes.
Which key historical events contributed to global warming? | World Economic Forum (weforum.org)
Yes, climate change is a natural occurrence, but not the accelerated version of climate change we are currently subjected to due to human activity. That is all our own doing.
More green produce when the average temperature increases over time and more food to feed the world.100+ years ago we were mostly burning dirty coal (high sulphur content) and the atmosphere around big cities and industrial areas was pretty toxic.
The temperature cycles you speak of were gradual and almost a regular cycle. The fact that the beginning of the industrial revolution can be clearly pinpointed on the graph of global temperature trends (0 to 2019 AD) speaks volumes.
Which key historical events contributed to global warming? | World Economic Forum (weforum.org)
Yes, climate change is a natural occurrence, but not the accelerated version of climate change we are currently subjected to due to human activity. That is all our own doing.
Currently world average temperatures are below the 30 year average.
Agreed about your dirty coal particularly brown coal with high sulphur content although we expunge much more sulphur into the atmosphere through our anal canal each day albeit it is not the atmosphere that was toxic TMT it was many layers below the atmosphere that was toxic and still is.
Man made Co2 has contributed to Co2 levels in the atmosphere increasing to around 4.1ppm in recent times depending on which report you look at.
I am all for reducing the level of Co2 man made or otherwise but unfortunately in doing so we should look at better more efficient means of dispatchable , reliable electricity generation than wind and solar which are not that environmentally friendly in the medium to long term anyway , not that efficient and despite the lack of scientific evidence to suggest a 2 degree increase on average between now and 2080 knowing China and India will continue to build coal fire stations beyond 2060 and cause over 75 per cent of an increasing amount of Co2 into the air above us in increasing levels to that emitted now will result in the end of humanity as we know it today.
Only 12 per cent at best of the panels needed can be recycled for starters and likewise the blades on those turbines that nobody wants in their back yard and they use up much more of the land mass to install them in the first place.
Trevor Morley's Tache
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That's often the problem with conflating energy and climate change into a single argument. It always ends up focusing on energy production when the greatest gains can be had from increasing efficiency and lowering demand.More green produce when the average temperature increases over time and more food to feed the world.
Currently world average temperatures are below the 30 year average.
Agreed about your dirty coal particularly brown coal with high sulphur content although we expunge much more sulphur into the atmosphere through our anal canal each day albeit it is not the atmosphere that was toxic TMT it was many layers below the atmosphere that was toxic and still is.
Man made Co2 has contributed to Co2 levels in the atmosphere increasing to around 4.1ppm in recent times depending on which report you look at.
I am all for reducing the level of Co2 man made or otherwise but unfortunately in doing so we should look at better more efficient means of dispatchable , reliable electricity generation than wind and solar which are not that environmentally friendly in the medium to long term anyway , not that efficient and despite the lack of scientific evidence to suggest a 2 degree increase on average between now and 2080 knowing China and India will continue to build coal fire stations beyond 2060 and cause over 75 per cent of an increasing amount of Co2 into the air above us in increasing levels to that emitted now will result in the end of humanity as we know it today.
Only 12 per cent at best of the panels needed can be recycled for starters and likewise the blades on those turbines that nobody wants in their back yard and they use up much more of the land mass to install them in the first place.
I wonder why this bloke Iman's spiel has WEF decals but the views expressed are not those of the WEF?100+ years ago we were mostly burning dirty coal (high sulphur content) and the atmosphere around big cities and industrial areas was pretty toxic.
The temperature cycles you speak of were gradual and almost a regular cycle. The fact that the beginning of the industrial revolution can be clearly pinpointed on the graph of global temperature trends (0 to 2019 AD) speaks volumes.
Which key historical events contributed to global warming? | World Economic Forum (weforum.org)
Yes, climate change is a natural occurrence, but not the accelerated version of climate change we are currently subjected to due to human activity. That is all our own doing.
None of us unless we are Walt Disney (LOL) will be around to see the impact of the warming of the climate or otherwise in the centuries to come but as I have said before I suspect unless the Suns inevitable explosion is accelerated somewhat , man will be around in larger numbers than now solving the issues of the day some which are important to address and resolve and some which are not.
Is China and India still regarded by the WHO as developing countries or are they still so poor that their space programs , there military build up etc and potential invasion of Taiwan using the military ala Hong Kong are excluded from the equation while the real victims of their regime namely the 1 billion whose income is under the threshold while the world bodies give them a free pass and let them industrialise and increase the Co2 at levels never seen before as countries like Australia deindustrialise as a result.
Good point TMT and often the efficiency and demand are not mutually exclusive.That's often the problem with conflating energy and climate change into a single argument. It always ends up focusing on energy production when the greatest gains can be had from increasing efficiency and lowering demand.
there is a place for renewables and its important we use technological advance to make them more efficient which is naturally a plus for CO2 reduction.
For now I am more concerned about WW3 and I am pleased that America is moving in the right direction to avoid it.
Without energy ( in our case food and water ) we cease to survive literally and without electricity we stay in the caves.