Climate Change is here and man made

Give me 10000 emails of yours in a searchable format and I can prove you're a Neo Nazi, a left wing lunatic or a Martian

Absolutely not. If you searched through every work email I'd ever sent, all you'd find would be me doing things by the book.

Same for most people I would have thought.
 
That's hardly surprsing since there's been no rise in global temperature for around 18 years.

No they aren't. NASA GISS data is derived from surface stations combined with satellite data for SSTs.

Correct. Which is why satellite data is considered the most accurate.

"The strongest evidence for the hiatus comes from the satellite (microwave) observations of bulk atmospheric temperature, pioneered by Christy and Spencer. Analyses of these data have shown a statistically significant hiatus for a period as long as 21 years." - Prof. J. Curry.

And satellite data shows:

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This makes no sense. I make a comment that the data only shows surface temperature, and you say "no they don't, they show land surface temperature and sea surface temperature".... er, both surface temperatures! And then provide another graph showing atmospheric temperature.

As to your question about climate change deniers, well you tell me what you deny! Those that I have debated with in the past differ in what they deny; some deny there is any climate change, some deny that climate change is not due to human activities. So I guess you have a different viewpoint on this, so please enlighten me. Another nice graphic to illustrate this:

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So you don't think these floods are not as a direct result of global warmings?
What an idiotic thing to say.

Try and pick a year in the last one hundred years without an area suffering flooding.

So to answer your question, no Mike. I do not.
 
I'll come back to this later hopefully, but whilst nobody argues that the climate is in flux the City analogy is that recently it has taken a massive and unprecedented step forwards that is incomprehensible to the natural order. Therefore whilst we had an influx of money that boosted us, the influx of greenhouses gases similarly boosted the global temperature.

I'd also like to point out that only the extreme crazies contend that this isn't happening; the argument tends to be in the details of how much and how much is human caused. This is a great progress for scientific discourse as now the public discourse is only 15 years behind which is rather good comparatively. Obviously excluding the science based arguments that some skeptics in this thread an elsewhere have made.
Is it not also true that no one knows whether it could be reversed, whether it would have sent beneficial or adverse affect and also, that taxing 4x4s in the UK will do the sum total of fuck all for 'saving the planet' given the industrialisation of the third world?
 
What an idiotic thing to say.

Try and pick a year in the last one hundred years without an area suffering flooding.

The is no point talking to you, you're as thick as Donald Trump and just out to WUM.

If you want a proper conversation on the affects of global warming such as the dramatic changes in weather conditions then lets have one.

Otherwise I'm not falling for the bait this time.
 
The is no point talking to you, you're as thick as Donald Trump and just out to WUM.

If you want a proper conversation on the affects of global warming such as the dramatic changes in weather conditions then lets have one.

Otherwise I'm not falling for the bait this time.
Could you provide any statistical evidence that the number of extreme weather events is increasing?
 
To show a photo of flooding or a polar bear clinging on to some ice and try to pass it off as evidence of man made climate change is misleading and to be honest downright dishonest.
 
Could you provide any statistical evidence that the number of extreme weather events is increasing?

The stupid thing with the media at the moment is they class a bit of rain as an extreme event, it is only extreme by the measure that people have had their houses flooded, it is actually a very unextreme event, extreme would be something like 25'C recorded in January or a hurricane of the likes we have never seen before. What happened in Cumbria isn't great but then the only areas that flooded were those most vulnerable to it, big surprise. I've seen a lot of chatter this week about climate change being responsible for what has happened and it is all chimed in as though we have never seen a flood before in the entirety of human history. I would love to hear a real definition of extreme in the weather context.

Yes the rainfall broke all records but we have only been recording this data for probably 100 years so of course it is bound to break records eventually simply because a record must always exist for something you measure. It's like recording temperature over many year's and year on year it is 30'C, the next year is recorded as 31'C, should that be classed as extreme?

I wish they would realize that climate change is normal, the Earth has undergone ice ages, fire ages and like now relatively flat ages. It hasn't not rained for the last several billion years and only this week has it flooded in Cumbria, climate change being directly responsible for a bit of extra rain is complete rubbish, someone will tell me it is also responsible for the relatively decent summer we have had too.

There is not much point in worrying about climate change because it is inevitable that at some point it will change in some way again. All it takes in fact is a world event such as a large volcano going off and that obliterates all records on CO2 and so on by itself.

I actually don't see myself as a denier but I don't think we can do anything about it for the most part and nor should we when there are far more pressing issues to be worrying about and expending resources on.
 

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