Climate Change is here and man made

[pace89]

Don't think he thought before posting that.

So fucking pleased I got out of the U.K. With its "tax the fuck out of everything, it's in your interests" mentality. What the fucking point is there taxing some bloke driving a Range Rover through the roof when India are building 350 new coal powered power stations.

It's a fucking joke. And we know it won't fucking do anything about global temperatures anyway.

it's about international legitimacy. If we reduce our greenhouse gases to a sustainable level then it's much easier to ask other nations to do the same. If every nation wanted to use the per capita natural resources hovered up by the US WWIII would kick off pretty quickly.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Don't think he thought before posting that.

So fucking pleased I got out of the U.K. With its "tax the fuck out of everything, it's in your interests" mentality. What the fucking point is there taxing some bloke driving a Range Rover through the roof when India are building 350 new coal powered power stations.

It's a fucking joke. And we know it won't fucking do anything about global temperatures anyway.

So true mate.

I am *appalled* that the UK is determined to take a lead on this, to our severe detriment and for zero gain.

EVEN IF:

The world is genuinely getter warmer (it may well not be)

and

This is caused by CO2 (it may not be)

and

This CO2 rise is due to human activity (it may not be)

and

A warmer planet would be a bad thing (it may not be)

and

Trying to do something about it "just in case" is a good idea (it probably isn't)

and

There's any hope we could do something about it anyway,

EVEN IF all that were true, now is not the time to be pouring vast resources that we don't have into a problem that is 100 years off. In 50 years time we may be able to build carbon sequentration plants the size of Belgium, powered by nuclear fusion reactors, that eat carbon at 10x the rate we put it out. Technology in 50 to 100 years will be far better able to cope then, and we will be sure that we are not wasting VAST amounts on money on a complete waste of time.

I would invite anyone to read this article from the former President of Greenpeace:

https://www.technocracy.news/index....scientifically-rips-climate-change-to-shreds/

 

[kas_tippler]

So true mate.

I am *appalled* that the UK is determined to take a lead on this, to our severe detriment and for zero gain.

EVEN IF:

The world is genuinely getter warmer (it may well not be)

and

This is caused by CO2 (it may not be)

and

This CO2 rise is due to human activity (it may not be)

and

A warmer planet would be a bad thing (it may not be)

and

Trying to do something about it "just in case" is a good idea (it probably isn't)

and

There's any hope we could do something about it anyway,

EVEN IF all that were true, now is not the time to be pouring vast resources that we don't have into a problem that is 100 years off. In 50 years time we may be able to build carbon sequentration plants the size of Belgium, powered by nuclear fusion reactors, that eat carbon at 10x the rate we put it out. Technology in 50 to 100 years will be far better able to cope then, and we will be sure that we are not wasting VAST amounts on money on a complete waste of time.

I would invite anyone to read this article from the former President of Greenpeace:

https://www.technocracy.news/index....scientifically-rips-climate-change-to-shreds/

All that might be true but it's uncool to say such things, to question climate change is seen as bad as a holocaust denier nowadays. Unbelievable !

 

[manctheknife]

The biggest problem we face as a planet is population growth. No one is doing dick about that.

 

[mancity1]

Its always a question of balance.

The Earth is getting warmer the amount of Green House Gas trapped in the atmosphere is higher than at post industrial revolution levels ( there needs to be some by design other wise we would fry ).

Sea levels are riding , more ice is melting at the caps and some of the CO2 that is trapped and warming up the air temperature over all and over time is man made.

However if we think relying on renewable Co2 friendly energy is the answer to base load energy / electricity we will fall well short of what is required to keep our standard of living in populated areas that are getting more populated over time.

There is a reason why we have trees , cows and need to be eco friendly etc because without naturally occurring greenhouse gas we don't survive on this planet for too long less so than if we stopped conceiving for good.

I am more concerned about eco conservation and ensuring what we need to survive namely clean water , food , oxygen production is adequately catered for to ensure the continuation of human , flora and fauna for generations to come.

The climate change issue is significant , real and needs to be addressed globally and it is perhaps not at the pace some would wish without really understanding the science that they swear by as opposed to believing it because eminent people know its happening and needs a solution over time.

 

[Ban-jani]

The biggest problem we face as a planet is population growth. No one is doing dick about that.

Bingo.

Incentivised castration is my idea.

 

[SWP's back]

This pretty much encapsulates what's wrong with modern Britain. Virtually every international expert in the field that has dedicated their professional lives to studying the subject agrees that man made climate change presents a huge threat to global society. But some deluded simpleton decides it can't be anything to do with them because they don't want have to pay more (or indeed any) tax.

It's this type of truly anti-intellectual, backwards, flat-earth nonsense promoted by bitter right wing loons that landed us with Brexit and the world with Trump.

So you thinking raising the tax on drivers with 4x4's will help in any way?

 

[SWP's back]

it's about international legitimacy. If we reduce our greenhouse gases to a sustainable level then it's much easier to ask other nations to do the same. If every nation wanted to use the per capita natural resources hovered up by the US WWIII would kick off pretty quickly.

Yeah I'm gonna disagree there. Taxing the fuck out of motorists does nothing to reduce UK emissions (of which non-commercial drivers make up 12%) and the tax revenue isn't spent on renewables anyway.

 

[SWP's back]

So true mate.

I am *appalled* that the UK is determined to take a lead on this, to our severe detriment and for zero gain.

EVEN IF:

The world is genuinely getter warmer (it may well not be)

and

This is caused by CO2 (it may not be)

and

This CO2 rise is due to human activity (it may not be)

and

A warmer planet would be a bad thing (it may not be)

and

Trying to do something about it "just in case" is a good idea (it probably isn't)

and

There's any hope we could do something about it anyway,

EVEN IF all that were true, now is not the time to be pouring vast resources that we don't have into a problem that is 100 years off. In 50 years time we may be able to build carbon sequentration plants the size of Belgium, powered by nuclear fusion reactors, that eat carbon at 10x the rate we put it out. Technology in 50 to 100 years will be far better able to cope then, and we will be sure that we are not wasting VAST amounts on money on a complete waste of time.

I would invite anyone to read this article from the former President of Greenpeace:

https://www.technocracy.news/index....scientifically-rips-climate-change-to-shreds/

Flat earther....

 

[Zin 'messiah' Zimmer]

 

[SWP's back]

Love him.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

The biggest problem we face as a planet is population growth. No one is doing dick about that.

I think the problem with soaring population is that there are a lot of people doing dick! Unless it's down to AI or IC?

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

The biggest problem we face as a planet is population growth. No one is doing dick about that.

Well said. There's far too many people in the world for it to be sustainable.

 

[pace89]

So you thinking raising the tax on drivers with 4x4's will help in any way?

They aren't taxes on 4x4 drivers, they are taxes on high polluting vehicles. They will make a difference as financial incentives / disincentives create a step change in behaviour - that's economic fact. If we reduce our per capita emissions from any one sector, in this case private vehicles, it builds a much stronger case for asking the Chinese, Indians etc to do the same.

 

[lazerblue]

This pretty much encapsulates what's wrong with modern Britain. Virtually every international expert in the field that has dedicated their professional lives to studying the subject agrees that man made climate change presents a huge threat to global society. But some deluded simpleton decides it can't be anything to do with them because they don't want have to pay more (or indeed any) tax.

It's this type of truly anti-intellectual, backwards, flat-earth nonsense promoted by bitter right wing loons that landed us with Brexit and the world with Trump.

Psssst wanna buy some magic beans

 

[SWP's back]

They aren't taxes on 4x4 drivers, they are taxes on high polluting vehicles. They will make a difference as financial incentives / disincentives create a step change in behaviour - that's economic fact. If we reduce our per capita emissions from any one sector, in this case private vehicles, it builds a much stronger case for asking the Chinese, Indians etc to do the same.

I don't honestly think, for even a nonosecond, that you believe that.

 

[aguero93:20]

Bingo.

Incentivised castration is my idea.

The incentive being that you get to have it done by a qualified surgeon if you agree and by a drunk baboon with a rusty teaspoon if you don't?

 

[Ban-jani]

The incentive being that you get to have it done by a qualified surgeon if you agree and by a drunk baboon with a rusty teaspoon if you don't?

Haha.

No a nice little cheque off the state.

I've put the idea to some friends and they think it's Trumpesque (whatever that means).

I don't think we've a choice and it's a much more humane system than China has used. No one has to do it with my idea at least and it's not punishing any children already born by taking benefits away.

Wouldn't work on a national scale, has to obviously be an effort by The UN globally.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

The biggest problem we face as a planet is population growth. No one is doing dick about that.

Bang on. I find it totally pointless agreeing/disagreeing with global warming theory, without addressing
this fundamental truth.

 

[aguero93:20]

Haha.

No a nice little cheque off the state.

I've put the idea to some friends and they think it's Trumpesque (whatever that means).

I don't think we've a choice and it's a much more humane system than China has used. No one has to do it with my idea at least and it's not punishing any children already born by taking benefits away.

Wouldn't work on a national scale, has to obviously be an effort by The UN globally.

Yeah I don't see too many governments having the strength to implement it as a compulsory process, however what's to stop people having their 2.5 and then opting for it? I mean, I have 2 kids now and I'm in my early thirties, by the time the youngest is in college I'll be late forties, so if I was offered a nice pay off to get snipped now I would probably take it.