Club Badge (merged)

Gary James said:
All I'll say to anyone doubting whether this was a genuine consultation or not...

Did you attend the consultation space?

Did you let your kids do the quizzes and leave their comments?

Did you learn all there was to know about the badges, elements and club's history?

Did you watch the videos explaining the badges?

Did you talk with fans? Did you listen to the Bluemoon podcasts or Blue Tuesday programmes etc? BBC show still available here http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p035t406

Did you come to the talks/lectures and question me about the elements, voice your opinion or challenge the mcfc officials like Danny Wilson, Justice Ellis, Matt Lowery & Lee Kenny who were there willing to engage?

Were you the ones who asked about the 'conspiracy' at those talks and receive an answer from the club and my own interpretation?

Did you fill in the questionnaire stressing your preference and then in the free format comments area spell out your views?

I could go on but the point is that if you did all if the above (and more) and still believes badge was sat there waiting, views were ignored, the majority wanted something else etc etc etc then that's up to you, but if you did all of the above then surely you could see the efforts that the club, fans, me and others went to to ensure views were listened to? I'm proud this club - our club- did this. Who else bothers like this? At a time when clubs are slagged off for not listeningCity opened up a variety of channels for us to submit our views - they even had colouring stuff aimed at 8 and under to ensure all age groups participated. If we didn't use them fine, but we had the chance.

Next time we may not get the chance because as fans we think it's fixed anyway.
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I have not kept too close to what people are saying on this thread, but if there are people thinking that it is a conspiracy with an already pre-determined badge design agreed then they are surely a tiny minority and cannot be people that have been involved with the many initiatives from the Club to interact with fans and ensure that decisions are informed by the views of fans.

I love the way the club are so active in asking for views and opinions and I am very quick to respond to the surveys etc. I do not think that you, or others, should get exercised by the ill-thought out views of what can only be a small number of people - in such a 'fan population' there will always be people that are a bit odd in their thinking and have personalities that make them instinctively want to suggest conspiracies against all the available evidence.

Where I do have a view that seems to differ from the majority though is in this prevailing view that the next stage is some kind of vote, I cannot see that happening at all and it would not be the most effective way to get the best for the club in the long-term (IMO).

This has been a exemplary consultation exercise, both in the level to which it has been inclusive and the manner in which it has been conducted. Surely the next stage is for marketing experts, based on many inputs, including the opinions of fans that has been carefully captured, to bring forward the final options for executives to deicide upon.
 
mcfc1632 said:
I have not kept too close to what people are saying on this thread, but if there are people thinking that it is a conspiracy with an already pre-determined badge design agreed then they are surely a tiny minority and cannot be people that have been involved with the many initiatives from the Club to interact with fans and ensure that decisions are informed by the views of fans.

I love the way the club are so active in asking for views and opinions and I am very quick to respond to the surveys etc. I do not think that you, or others, should get exercised by the ill-thought out views of what can only be a small number of people - in such a 'fan population' there will always be people that are a bit odd in their thinking and have personalities that make them instinctively want to suggest conspiracies against all the available evidence.

Where I do have a view that seems to differ from the majority though is in this prevailing view that the next stage is some kind of vote, I cannot see that happening at all and it would not be the most effective way to get the best for the club in the long-term (IMO).

This has been a exemplary consultation exercise, both in the level to which it has been inclusive and the manner in which it has been conducted. Surely the next stage is for marketing experts, based on many inputs, including the opinions of fans that has been carefully captured, to bring forward the final options for executives to deicide upon.
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Yeah thanks for that Mr Al Mubarak ;-)
 
Shaelumstash said:
I don't think the point you were making hasn't been missed, bud. The car rental guy was an example of "how the world sees us", he represents the wider world, the casual football fan who is not a City fan. To me, their opinion, and what they think represents Manchester City is not really that important. What's important is what our core fan base thinks, the loyal fans who have stuck through the team for years, it's their opinion that counts.

If Jerry (the car rental guy) currently associates the eagle with City, I'm sure over time he'll eventually get used to the round badge with "Manchester City" written around the outside. It might even grab his attention and be a conversation piece with his friends that we've changed our badge.

The reason I'm saying the wider world's view is irrelevant is this. I've got a passing interest in South American football, I love watching Argentina and Brazil play, and over the years I don't mind watching the odd Columbia, Uruguay and Chile game. If you were to ask me what images most represent Columbia to me I'd probably say Pablo Escobar and Carlos Valderama's afro. Now I'm sure the people of Columbia might take offence at that, and they'd want neither of those things anywhere near their badge. And they'd be right, it should be for them to decide, not me.

What the world associates with us at the moment pales in to insignificance in comparison with what the hard core support of the club feel represents the club and the city best.
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Yeah you see terms like "hard core support" are subjective and what the World perceives us as doesn't pale into insignificance compared to that for me.
 
I was quite happy when I first heard the club badge may change...
I'd never quite understood the Eagle and was completely at a loss with the stars - Quite liked the motto though...
I'm no graphic artist, but I had a play with an idea for a badge- Completely 'Tongue in cheek',
I just rammed ALL the elements I liked into one badge !
As...

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Though a younger fan than I... (He can't remember the 1969 final against Leicester) said he quite liked the Eagle...
So I added that as well !

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I'm sure there are other very similar badges all over this thread...
I should hope there are some really good ones as well.

As for conspiracy theories and all, the club could come up with a few designs and let us vote for them.
We could then have a voting system that said you had to vote in person, at the ground, with your City ID...
This could take a month, but there's no real rush is there ??
This would negate "Spoof" voting by other groups wanting to disrupt the process, and make sure the fans that go to matches are the ones whose vote is heard...

Then we'd really know we'd been consulted...

Conspiracy theorists will still maintain that...
What's to stop the club putting up the decided design, 4 other "Competitors"...
Then rigging the vote to get the one they were having anyway !!!
 
Cobwebcat said:
Yeah you see terms like "hard core support" are subjective and what the World perceives us as doesn't pale into insignificance compared to that for me.
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Terms like "what the world percieves us as" are subjective too.

The only objective evidence we have is the M.E.N vote, and the club consultation. Both of them show an "overwhelming" desire to return to a round badge.

If the term "hard core support" is too subjective, I'll make it more specific. In an ideal world fans that were brought up as City fans from birth would all get to vote. Fans that had been going to home and away games for 20 years would get to vote.

People with no affiliation to the club from countries around the world who don't support City but comment on NewsNow articles would not get to vote.

Unfortunately, it's too difficult to canvas how long someone has been a City fan and how "hard core" their support is. The closest group we've got is season ticket holders, club members / "Cityzens".

Thankfully, this is the group the club has restricted the official vote to. That way the vote can't be hijacked by United fans up to no good, casual City fans who have only just started supporting the club in the last couple of years, and casual football fans around the world who don't support City. As harsh as it might be on some of those people, I agree with the club, their views are not as important as official club members.
 
Never cease to be amazed by some people, the badge, like blue shorts, is clearly an issue for fans, especially the decorative stars to make us look more continental. So the club do the best thing they can and try to gauge opinion, now we are moaning it's fixed!

"we're only getting a round badge so it looks nice on a wall next to Melbourne and NY badge" even though most fans that have given their opinion want a round badge!

You could not make it up.

Whatever badge we end up with we should applaud the powers that be for trying to listen to the fans, nearly every fan meeting since they took over has seen the badge issue raised so you can't say it wasn't an issue. Totally "get" younger people have only seen us play with the new badge, we have had success with the eagle, I grew up with the Lancashire rose badge but I don't want to go back to an old badge and I applaud the club wholeheartedly for giving us the chance to have our say, you will never come up with a badge that pleases everyone, but what more can the club do than what they have done?

I also applaud them for getting Gary James involved, a City historian who more than knows his stuff! Why go to all this trouble if you are just doing a Melbourne/NY badge with Manchester City written on it?
 
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