Club statement regarding Barry Bennell's conviction

They can only audit whatever is declared. Nightclubs (for example) routinely use a portion of their door money to pay DJs and other casual staff cash-in-hand and off the books, with the remainder finding its way into the pockets of the owners and (sometimes) the management. If that money isn’t rung through (or is rang into a different, unconnected till) then no auditor is going to know (or probably care) about any skim, as long as the protagonists don’t get too greedy and start declaring figures that descend into the realm of the absurd.

A cash turnstile or two would provide the opportunity for an owner of a football club to feather their own nest, but also to make certain payments off the books, which might suit the way they wanted to run the business and enable them to skirt round the rules - which some people enjoy doing for its own ends because they are wired that way.

Auditors would certainly care today but - as has been discussed before - we live in different times. Getting up to speed with current legislation is on my to-do-list (literally) but I believe it would be a crime to turn a blind eye to that sort of thing as an auditor or accountant.
 
This sadly has got an operation Yew Tree feel about it , it makes you feel sick and football just doesn’t feel important right now. One thing is for certain there are going to be many more stories to surface now it’s apparent people will be believed when coming forward and naming names. EVERY club in England will be dreading the next few months, if it can scandalise the BBC then this type of crime is even more likely to happen at a football club where procedures would have undoubtedly been a lot less strict than at an establishment like the BBC.

Shocking isn’t the word , this is a scandal of epic proportions.
Think that's your subjective opinion that football is not important right now . We all abhor what's gone on but it's in the past and the clock can't be turned back .I'm sure City will do the right thing but don't lose fact that football is an outlet and a pleasure for most of us and you can't take away the importance of this season for our supporters.
 
There's part of the problem from City's end: Swales was in charge and as such mistakes being made on any matter would not be a surprise.

The bottom line here (no puns intended) is that a whole host of people made errors of judgment and that, sadly, includes parents of lads that were victims. The people that need to be rooted out are those, if any, that knowingly colluded with or covered up for Bennell.
I'd be staggered if some of that infamous gate skim didn't find its way into Bennell's pocket.

In light of the relative innocence of the age, I think it's unfair to ascribe any meaninful blame to the parents.
 
I'd be staggered if some of that infamous gate skim didn't find its way into Bennell's pocket.

In light of the relative innocence of the age, I think it's unfair to ascribe any meaninful blame to the parents.

I agree. I think too many people want to find people to blame where that is the wrong approach, IMO. I'm sure plenty of people are looking back, thinking "if only", blaming themselves and suffering as a result.
 
Inevitable that pockets of opposing fans will use this to fling shit our way. The ‘intoxicating’ combination of being in a pissed up mob, trying to be controversial and thinking it’s funny will see to that.

Harry Roberts, Munich, Peter Sutcliffe, Auschwitz Hillsborough. Just a few examples of shit football fans have used to antagonise each other about. Can’t see any reason why this will be different. Sad.
 
Reading up on this a lot today. Seems to be a common theme linking Chelsea and Crewe.

A lot more to come out on this yet.
 
Reading up on this a lot today. Seems to be a common theme linking Chelsea and Crewe.

A lot more to come out on this yet.

When Bennell first started SENRAB, circa 1975* it was known he was getting his funding from Chelsea.
Certainly what he told me at this time,
I luckily refused and stayed at Ashford celtic.
 
Would we reckon that this could be far bigger than just a couple of clubs at the moment,would there be people at clubs hurriedly destroying what evidence they might have ( all hypothetical of course) of any wrong doing just not only Bennell but others possibly...
 
When Bennell first started SENRAB, circa 1975* it was known he was getting his funding from Chelsea.
Certainly what he told me at this time,
I luckily refused and stayed at Ashford celtic.
I played against senrab at the isle of white festival in 86. Big,strong and physical team I remember. Never knew that dirty bastard started it up. Is he originally from Barnes then?
 
Bennell was from Manchester originally but was taken on by Chelsea as an apprentice in the late sixties, IIRC. I think I've read that an injury put paid to his hopes of beoming a professional player so he got involved with coaching and had a role with the affiliated London-based Chelsea boys' club Senrab. In this period, he supposedly first came into contact with Dario Gradi, who was coaching at Chelsea, and then Chelsea's chief scout Eddie Heath (now deceased), an alleged paedophile.

Sometime in the early seventies, Bennell seems to have relocated back to Manchester and set up a northern version of Senrab, also seemingly affiliated with Chelsea. He was joined in that endeavour by Frank Roper, another paedophile and the man who abused Paul Stewart. Details here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sp...rry-Bennell-link-second-paedophile-coach.html

Meanwhile, here's a story from the Mirror a couple of days ago detailing some links Bennell had with United: https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/depravity-barry-bennell-revealed-paedo-12031849

I don't post these links because I want to absolve City of blame by painting other clubs in a similar light. I suspect that facts will emerge which make for quite uncomfortable reading for fans of our club and, if that happens, I want our conduct in responding to those circumstances to be unimpeachable. But I believe stories like these show that the problem for football is far wider than just one or two clubs, and revelations from and following Bennell's trial should be seen in that light.
 
I played against senrab at the isle of white festival in 86. Big,strong and physical team I remember. Never knew that dirty bastard started it up. Is he originally from Barnes then?
No, he or family got funding in mid 70s.
he was never a coach or player. Asked me to play for him in 73, refused. My main interest is in the Broome enquiry, as that is where I experienced abuse.
Not even sure What Senrab stood for.
I am not a Bennell expert. Luckily dodged that one.
regards asa
 
Senrab was 'Barnes' backwards. Not named after the area of SW London, but supposedly because the coach who set up the London club Senrab was called Barnes.
 
Bennell was from Manchester originally but was taken on by Chelsea as an apprentice in the late sixties, IIRC. I think I've read that an injury put paid to his hopes of beoming a professional player so he got involved with coaching and had a role with the affiliated London-based Chelsea boys' club Senrab. In this period, he supposedly first came into contact with Dario Gradi, who was coaching at Chelsea, and then Chelsea's chief scout Eddie Heath (now deceased), an alleged paedophile.

Sometime in the early seventies, Bennell seems to have relocated back to Manchester and set up a northern version of Senrab, also seemingly affiliated with Chelsea. He was joined in that endeavour by Frank Roper, another paedophile and the man who abused Paul Stewart. Details here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sp...rry-Bennell-link-second-paedophile-coach.html

Meanwhile, here's a story from the Mirror a couple of days ago detailing some links Bennell had with United: https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/depravity-barry-bennell-revealed-paedo-12031849

I don't post these links because I want to absolve City of blame by painting other clubs in a similar light. I suspect that facts will emerge which make for quite uncomfortable reading for fans of our club and, if that happens, I want our conduct in responding to those circumstances to be unimpeachable. But I believe stories like these show that the problem for football is far wider than just one or two clubs, and revelations from and following Bennell's trial should be seen in that light.

I know Lads who played for Senrab were getting trials for both United and City
 
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Bennell arguably displayed more of the classic signs of being a sociopath than West, in particular, who was of below average intelligence (by all accounts Bennell was very bright) and (to many) somewhat charmless (unlike Bennell). West’s blunt MO mainly centred around ensnaring people, raping and torturing them, then killing them and burying their remains within his property. Bennell’s repertoire required a great deal more craft and charm, including towards the parents of his victims, something he clearly excelled at. He was much more manipulative than West, which enabled him to carry out his crimes in the manner he did and (crucially) retain such an enduring degree of control over his victims and his enablers. Just because someone doesn’t have muderous tendencies (or manages to suppress them for reasons of expediency) it doesn’t necessarily make them less of a sociopath. Bennell has displayed (and seemingly continues to display) an acute and pathological lack of empathy towards his victims, so I stand by my original assertion and would say that you somewhat misapprehend what constitutes (or can constitute) a sociopath.
Chapeau for such erudition at half four in the morning! You're wrong though (IMHO). West was/is ten times the sociopath Bennell is/was. And yes, I'm fully cognisant with the constitution of a sociopath. West is in the premier league, in the company of Dahmer, Brady, Sutcliffe, Nielsen et al. But we're dancing on the head of a pin here; all were appalling.
 
Senrab was 'Barnes' backwards. Not named after the area of SW London, but supposedly because the coach who set up the London club Senrab was called Barnes.

I thought it was named after the street (Barnes) where the club was formed in East London. Not important though. The club is certainly famous down here as it has produced several topflight footballers. Including Ledley King, John Terry, Jermaine Defoe and Bobby Zamora.

I was interested in what you referred to above, about what appears to be a network, of sorts. I find it all very creepy. It certainly has the feel of this being only the tip of the iceberg. I dread to think how many children were affected by these nihilistic monsters.

Goodness knows how they discovered that they were fellow paedophiles.
 
I thought it was named after the street (Barnes) where the club was formed in East London. Not important though. The club is certainly famous down here as it has produced several topflight footballers. Including Ledley King, John Terry, Jermaine Defoe and Bobby Zamora.

I was interested in what you referred to above, about what appears to be a network, of sorts. I find it all very creepy. It certainly has the feel of this being only the tip of the iceberg. I dread to think how many children were affected by these nihilistic monsters.

Goodness knows how they discovered that they were fellow paedophiles.
Barnes is a bit more than a street, isn't it? It's the area between Hammersmith and Richmond.
 

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