Sounds horrible if you’re likely to end up as a floor mopping epsilon like me.
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Sounds horrible if you’re likely to end up as a floor mopping epsilon like me.
urban genie
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Think I said that in my closing comment
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communism would be quite good if it weren't for people being involved. Same with democracy.
In future govt. will be a computer algorithm
In future govt. will be a computer algorithm
blueish swede
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When he was older Marx admitted that the changes he saw as necessary in society could/would be achieved by the development of democracy and would not need a revolution - rendering Marxism redundant before it was ever implemented.
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When he was younger he had said Democracy is the road to socialism, he didn’t really change his view on that, he was dubious whether the development of democracy would actually happen without revolutionary actions to clear the way for a fresh start. Sadly, that has never occurred anywhere in the world
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metalblue
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Thanks for that, whilst it has its obvious biases, it also shows the efforts that have gone into maligning Communism and turning Marxism into a bogeyman movement. Capitalism and the owners of capital have made sure that this movement is ostracised and the Labour party moving rightwards has also helped.
Leftist politics is not dead, it is waiting to be reborn and there is hope still for a Socialist society run for the working class and not for the owners of capital.
1. Our Epoch – Communist Party of Great Britain
Well worth a read Comrades.
What we fight for
This is a summary of our vision for the activities and aims of Communists in Britain as it exists right now. These are our principles – this is what we fight for!
- Our central aim is the organisation of communists, revolutionary socialists and all politically advanced workers into a Communist Party. Without organisation the working class is nothing; with the highest form of organisation it is everything.
- The Provisional Central Committee organises members of the Communist Party, but there exists no real Communist Party today. There are many so-called ‘parties’ on the left. In reality they are confessional sects. Members who disagree with the prescribed ‘line’ are expected to gag themselves in public. Either that or face expulsion.
- Communists operate according to the principles of democratic centralism. Through ongoing debate we seek to achieve unity in action and a common world outlook. As long as they support agreed actions, members have the right to speak openly and form temporary or permanent factions.
- Communists oppose all imperialist wars and occupations but constantly strive to bring to the fore the fundamental question – ending war is bound up with ending capitalism.
- Communists are internationalists. Everywhere we strive for the closest unity and agreement of working class and progressive parties of all countries. We oppose every manifestation of national sectionalism. It is an internationalist duty to uphold the principle, ‘One state, one party’. To the extent that the European Union becomes a state then that necessitates EU-wide trade unions and a Communist Party of the EU.
- The working class must be organised globally. Without a global Communist Party, a Communist International, the struggle against capital is weakened and lacks coordination.
- Communists have no interest apart from the working class as a whole. They differ only in recognising the importance of Marxism as a guide to practice. That theory is no dogma, but must be constantly added to and enriched.
- Capitalism in its ceaseless search for profit puts the future of humanity at risk. Capitalism is synonymous with war, pollution, exploitation and crisis. As a global system capitalism can only be superseded globally. All forms of nationalist socialism are reactionary and anti-working class.
- The capitalist class will never willingly allow their wealth and power to be taken away by a parliamentary vote. They will resist using every means at their disposal. Communists favour using parliament and winning the biggest possible working class representation. But workers must be readied to make revolution – peacefully if we can, forcibly if we must.
- Communists fight for extreme democracy in all spheres of society. Democracy must be given a social content.
- We will use the most militant methods objective circumstances allow to achieve a federal republic of England, Scotland and Wales, a united, federal Ireland and a United States of Europe.
- Communists favour industrial unions. Bureaucracy and class compromise must be fought and the trade unions transformed into schools for communism.
- Communists are champions of the oppressed. Women’s oppression, combating racism and chauvinism, and the struggle for peace and ecological sustainability are just as much working class questions as pay, trade union rights and demands for high-quality health, housing and education.
- Socialism represents victory in the battle for democracy. It is the rule of the working class. Socialism is either democratic or, as with Stalin’s Soviet Union, it turns into its opposite.
- Socialism is the first stage of the worldwide transition to communism – a system which knows neither wars, exploitation, money, classes, states nor nations. Communism is general freedom and the real beginning of human history.
Are they actually real? A cursory glance at 4 says communists are opposed to all imperialist wars but will wage war against capitalist states… erm isn’t imposing ideological beliefs on another state imperialism?
How many instances have we seen where there's been a fight for democracy, the fight is won, and then democracy wins? None.
Democracy never wins, we don't even live in a proper democracy now because we vote for MP's and said MP's go out to do everything except what you voted for. How many people voted Tory and voted for a national insurance rise? None. Socialism isn't going to change that, Labour aren't going to get in and instigate a wholesale change to a people first democracy because that would destroy the Labour party.
Even under Corbyn Labour would get in and instigate socialism however would they hand that power over to the people? Would they hell, the power over the country would still rest with a Labour government alongside their backers, IE, the unions. Both of these organisations are represented by a minority of people so democracy in every sense loses. It means a point of view continues to prevail as opposed to the greater good for everyone.
People talking about this get it wrong time and time again. We don't need state ownership of rail for example, what we need is public ownership and that means people decide how it's run, NOT politicians. The ideal state model, certainly with respect to something like socialism is one run by people and by that I mean everyone, not just people who voted in a certain way.