twinkletoes
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Re: Most bizarre conspiracies
I think buzzer was right. It's not worth it. I'm out.
The Flash said:
I think buzzer was right. It's not worth it. I'm out.
nijinsky's fetlocks
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Re: Most bizarre conspiracies
Yeah,but you can prove anything with facts...
The Flash said:
Yeah,but you can prove anything with facts...
Main Stand Hotdog
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Re: Most bizarre conspiracies
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BoyBlue_1985
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Re: Most bizarre conspiracies
So you leave when you cant produce real facts. These are the reasons I tend not to believe most conspiracy theories, because when cold hard actual facts are needed nothing is produced
So you leave when you cant produce real facts. These are the reasons I tend not to believe most conspiracy theories, because when cold hard actual facts are needed nothing is produced
twinkletoes
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Re: Most bizarre conspiracies
Here's a fact for you.
The Gulf of Tonkin incident, or the USS Maddox incident, are the names given to two separate confrontations, one actual and one false, involving North Vietnam and the United States in the waters of the Gulf of Tonkin. On August 2, 1964, the destroyer USS Maddox, while performing a signals intelligence patrol as part of DESOTO operations, engaged three North Vietnamese Navy torpedo boats of the 135th Torpedo Squadron.[1] A sea battle resulted, in which the Maddox expended over two hundred and eighty 3-inch and 5-inch shells, and in which four USN F-8 Crusader jet fighter bombers strafed the torpedo boats. One US aircraft was damaged, one 14.5 mm round hit the destroyer, three North Vietnamese torpedo boats were damaged, and four North Vietnamese sailors were killed and six were wounded; there were no U.S. casualties.[5]
The second Tonkin Gulf incident was originally claimed by the U.S. National Security Agency to have occurred on August 4, 1964, as another sea battle, but instead may have involved "Tonkin Ghosts"[6] (false radar images) and not actual NVN torpedo boat attacks.
The outcome of these two incidents was the passage by Congress of the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, which granted President Lyndon B. Johnson the authority to assist any Southeast Asian country whose government was considered to be jeopardized by "communist aggression". The resolution served as Johnson's legal justification for deploying U.S. conventional forces and the commencement of open warfare against North Vietnam.
In 2005, an internal National Security Agency historical study was declassified; it concluded[7] that the Maddox had engaged the North Vietnamese Navy on August 2, but that there were no North Vietnamese Naval vessels present during the incident of August 4. The report stated regarding August 2:
At 1500G, Captain Herrick (commander of the Maddox) ordered Ogier's gun crews to open fire if the boats approached within ten thousand yards. At about 1505G, the Maddox fired three rounds to warn off the communist boats. This initial action was never reported by the Johnson administration, which insisted that the Vietnamese boats fired first.[7]
and regarding August 4:
It is not simply that there is a different story as to what happened; it is that no attack happened that night. [...] In truth, Hanoi's navy was engaged in nothing that night but the salvage of two of the boats damaged on August 2.[8]
<a class="postlink" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident</a>
nijinsky's fetlocks said:
Here's a fact for you.
The Gulf of Tonkin incident, or the USS Maddox incident, are the names given to two separate confrontations, one actual and one false, involving North Vietnam and the United States in the waters of the Gulf of Tonkin. On August 2, 1964, the destroyer USS Maddox, while performing a signals intelligence patrol as part of DESOTO operations, engaged three North Vietnamese Navy torpedo boats of the 135th Torpedo Squadron.[1] A sea battle resulted, in which the Maddox expended over two hundred and eighty 3-inch and 5-inch shells, and in which four USN F-8 Crusader jet fighter bombers strafed the torpedo boats. One US aircraft was damaged, one 14.5 mm round hit the destroyer, three North Vietnamese torpedo boats were damaged, and four North Vietnamese sailors were killed and six were wounded; there were no U.S. casualties.[5]
The second Tonkin Gulf incident was originally claimed by the U.S. National Security Agency to have occurred on August 4, 1964, as another sea battle, but instead may have involved "Tonkin Ghosts"[6] (false radar images) and not actual NVN torpedo boat attacks.
The outcome of these two incidents was the passage by Congress of the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, which granted President Lyndon B. Johnson the authority to assist any Southeast Asian country whose government was considered to be jeopardized by "communist aggression". The resolution served as Johnson's legal justification for deploying U.S. conventional forces and the commencement of open warfare against North Vietnam.
In 2005, an internal National Security Agency historical study was declassified; it concluded[7] that the Maddox had engaged the North Vietnamese Navy on August 2, but that there were no North Vietnamese Naval vessels present during the incident of August 4. The report stated regarding August 2:
At 1500G, Captain Herrick (commander of the Maddox) ordered Ogier's gun crews to open fire if the boats approached within ten thousand yards. At about 1505G, the Maddox fired three rounds to warn off the communist boats. This initial action was never reported by the Johnson administration, which insisted that the Vietnamese boats fired first.[7]
and regarding August 4:
It is not simply that there is a different story as to what happened; it is that no attack happened that night. [...] In truth, Hanoi's navy was engaged in nothing that night but the salvage of two of the boats damaged on August 2.[8]
<a class="postlink" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident</a>
PJMCC1UK
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Re: Most bizarre conspiracies
You could if it were true and you actually had any reason to do so. I call it nut job theory because no matter what evidence is given to you to prove how wrong you are you will somehow spin it to your own agenda even if it directly contradicts your first argument.
twinkletoes said:
You could if it were true and you actually had any reason to do so. I call it nut job theory because no matter what evidence is given to you to prove how wrong you are you will somehow spin it to your own agenda even if it directly contradicts your first argument.
twinkletoes
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Re: Most bizarre conspiracies
Yes I am the deluded one here.
PJMCC1UK said:
Yes I am the deluded one here.
PJMCC1UK
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Re: Most bizarre conspiracies
Yes I obviously am the sheeple. I mean it's obvious isn't it. The majority are always wrong. It's just the enlightened few such as yourself who, despite these organisations being so secretive and manipulative, can see through it all after watching a youtube video and reading something that in reality makes no sense.
Or perhaps I'm one of the lizard people
twinkletoes said:
Yes I obviously am the sheeple. I mean it's obvious isn't it. The majority are always wrong. It's just the enlightened few such as yourself who, despite these organisations being so secretive and manipulative, can see through it all after watching a youtube video and reading something that in reality makes no sense.
Or perhaps I'm one of the lizard people
twinkletoes
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Re: Most bizarre conspiracies
Perhaps you see yourself as the protector of truth, I dont know?
PJMCC1UK said:
Perhaps you see yourself as the protector of truth, I dont know?