Corners (again)

[Marvin]

Cibaman is totally along the right lines and your perception is miles away from the reality.

Premier League Corner Stats
15/16 - 133 goals from 4117 corners - Goal per corner conversion rate - 3.23%
14/15 - 120 goals from 4062 corners - Goal per corner conversion rate - 2.95%
13/14 - 118 goals from 4093 corners - Goal per corner conversion rate - 2.88%

The OPTA definition of a "goal from a corner" was IIRC was one within 3 or 4 touches of the kick being taken so the one we got at the weekend definitely counts as a goal from a corner. The percentages above do not differentiate between 1st touch i.e. directly headed in or 3 or 4 touches. So, goals from corners are relatively rare events and supporters from ALL teams see repeated failure.

So, which team has the best record for scoring goals from corners? Well, cumulatively City scored the most in the 3 seasons 13/14 - 15/16 with 30 goals from 813 corners.

City - 30 Goals
West Brom - 28 Goals
Liverpool - 24 Goals
Chelsea - 23 Goals and no one else 20 or more.

Now, City won more corners over the last 3 seasons than anyone else so there is an expectation we should score more. Very importantly tho our conversion rate is only 2nd to West Brom who by some distance have been the most efficent. Their goal conversion rate over the 3 seasons was 5.13% and ours is 3.69%. Rather than us being shit we have actually been very good relative to everyone else. We are scoring a goal on average every 27 corners. Over the 3 years the 2 worst teams are Stoke and United who scored every 63 and 50 corners respectively.

And considering that we are a small team, we're doing well

 

[SWP's back]

If it's 5% and we get 10 per game, that would mean we score from corner (directly, not from the ensuing play) EVERY TWO GAMES.

At 3% and 5 corners per game we should be getting one every 6 games.

In other words, we should be scoring something between 8 and 20 goals per season from a corner, according to your stats.

In reality, if we get 2 or 3 a season, we are doing well. We went a season and a half without a solitary goal scored from a corner.

How many do we have this season? I make it 3 in 13 games.

 

[shemnel]

corners are so immensely overrated it's untrue. better off belting them back to the half way line and starting again.

 

[cleavers]

A couple of surveys have shown that the success rate at corners is only 3-5%. Perhaps we expect too much?

It depends on the club, some are more successful, and some less successful, but a team that gets so many corners, should be using it to their advantage to score goals, and to do that should be practising. Over recent seasons its been obvious that we don't pay much attention to them (we invariable don't/didn't defend them well either).

Also we are poor at throw ins as well, not enough movement, and often giving the ball away, this has been another trait of recent seasons. When you play possession football, as we do, we shouldn't be gifting the ball away from throw ins.

 

[SWP's back]

Cibaman is totally along the right lines and your perception is miles away from the reality.

Premier League Corner Stats
15/16 - 133 goals from 4117 corners - Goal per corner conversion rate - 3.23%
14/15 - 120 goals from 4062 corners - Goal per corner conversion rate - 2.95%
13/14 - 118 goals from 4093 corners - Goal per corner conversion rate - 2.88%

The OPTA definition of a "goal from a corner" was IIRC was one within 3 or 4 touches of the kick being taken so the one we got at the weekend definitely counts as a goal from a corner. The percentages above do not differentiate between 1st touch i.e. directly headed in or 3 or 4 touches. So, goals from corners are relatively rare events and supporters from ALL teams see repeated failure.

So, which team has the best record for scoring goals from corners? Well, cumulatively City scored the most in the 3 seasons 13/14 - 15/16 with 30 goals from 813 corners.

City - 30 Goals
West Brom - 28 Goals
Liverpool - 24 Goals
Chelsea - 23 Goals and no one else 20 or more.

Now, City won more corners over the last 3 seasons than anyone else so there is an expectation we should score more. Very importantly tho our conversion rate is only 2nd to West Brom who by some distance have been the most efficent. Their goal conversion rate over the 3 seasons was 5.13% and ours is 3.69%. Rather than us being shit we have actually been very good relative to everyone else. We are scoring a goal on average every 27 corners. Over the 3 years the 2 worst teams are Stoke and United who scored every 63 and 50 corners respectively.

Oh wow. Here endeth the thread.

 

[SWP's back]

It depends on the club, some are more successful, and some less successful, but a team that gets so many corners, should be using it to their advantage to score goals, and to do that should be practising. Over recent seasons its been obvious that we don't pay much attention to them (we invariable don't/didn't defend them well either).

Also we are poor at throw ins as well, not enough movement, and often giving the ball away, this has been another trait of recent seasons. When you play possession football, as we do, we shouldn't be gifting the ball away from throw ins.

Apparently we do them better than anyone apart from West Brom.

I think the issue is that we only watch every game our team plays. 3% therefore means we score 3 from every hundred taken and we automatically assume we are shite and everyone else must be better when watching corners headed in during highlights.

 

[cleavers]

Oh wow. Here endeth the thread.

Not really, because averaged out over all teams it might be 3%, but some of the more shall we say 'direct' teams do much better (see Atletico comment above). Also that stat of ours being 30 over three seasons, I'd like to know how many of them are actually within a couple of touches after the corner is taken ? I'd bet its not many, and the point is that most of ours are (and continue to be) pretty woeful (until the last couple of games at least).

 

[SWP's back]

Not really, because averaged out over all teams it might be 3%, but some of the more shall we say 'direct' teams do much better (see Atletico comment above). Also that stat of ours being 30 over three seasons, I'd like to know how many of them are actually within a couple of touches after the corner is taken ? I'd bet its not many, and the point is that most of ours are (and continue to be) pretty woeful (until the last couple of games at least).

We had the second highest percentage in the league over three seasons.

So yes really, and comparing La liga with the PL is probably foolhardy.

 

[Neville Kneville]

Pellegrini actually did pretty well at getting us up the league table of corner kickers when we had hit a barren patch.

Now, I think we are doing remarkably well, as we are a bunch of shortarses & Otamendi, Stones or Fernandinho seem to miss at least one guilt edged opportunity to score from a corner, every single game. (I could be including other set pieces in that, but we get a free header every game). The same situations with Mancini's squad (VK, Lescott, Micah, Vieira, Barry, Dzeko, Balotelli, etc) or even Joe Royle's, & most of those are goals.

We also concede very few direct 'free' headers from opposing corners, when it was about 2 or 3 pr game under Pellegrini. That is also tribute to our coach when you see what a dozy twat our main 'aerial' cb is at picking up.

 

[blueparrot]

Pellegrini actually did pretty well at getting us up the league table of corner kickers when we had hit a barren patch.

Now, I think we are doing remarkably well, as we are a bunch of shortarses & Otamendi, Stones or Fernandinho seem to miss at least one guilt edged opportunity to score from a corner, every single game. (I could be including other set pieces in that, but we get a free header every game). The same situations with Mancini's squad (VK, Lescott, Micah, Vieira, Barry, Dzeko, Balotelli, etc) or even Joe Royle's, & most of those are goals.

We also concede very few direct 'free' headers from opposing corners, when it was about 2 or 3 pr game under Pellegrini. That is also tribute to our coach when you see what a dozy twat our main 'aerial' cb is at picking up.

Despite what many pundits tell us I always prefer a good zonal system for defending corners. I remember reading a few months ago that Bayern and Barcelona dont put players on the posts, the idea being for the amount of goals that saves it is better to have more defenders in the box cutting out the ball in, or picking up the second ball. I can't say I've looked but if we arent putting players on the post it could also explain our better defending of corners.