corners !

We're usually dangerous at corners but last night I think every single one was an outswinger that ended up around the penalty spot, there was no variety and only Mick McCarthy and Dave Watson score headers from 12-15 yards out. ;-)

I can't see any reason why Navas and Silva don't swap sides for corners so they can both swing them in. The outswinging corner seems less effective and we never looked like scoring from one of them.

I don't like to hark back to the past but when Edin scored against QPR it was an in swinging corner from Merlin.
 
Corners are a false hope usually.

Crowds get up for it when their teams earn one but premier leagues statistics show that less than 1% of corners lead to a goal being scored.
 
geoff hammond said:
Corners are a false hope usually.

Crowds get up for it when their teams earn one but premier leagues statistics show that less than 1% of corners lead to a goal being scored.
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Is that right? Is that direct from a corner, or does it also include goals scored from knock downs, knock backs, poor clearances etc. What about short corners? Do you know when play from a corner extends to the point it can no longer be considered part of the initial play? I'm asking because you wrote "lead". I don't doubt the general point though. I wonder if persisting with "getting it in" is as much to do with no-one being able to figure out what to do, or mental inertia, as it is with an honest assessment of whether it really affords quality opportunities to score. I wonder if in the game the utility of corners has declined over time (e.g 1950s = 8%, 1960s = 8%, 1970's = 7%...2000's = 3%, 2010s = 1%) and whether this is unique to England, or unique to the PL. Anyway, I've always thought corners were all mouth and no trousers so naturally I'll jump at anything that confirms my bias.
 
Anyone got any stats on this? Some suggest that Nasri is our best corner taker and I tend to agree, however I wonder if stats back this up?
I'd be interested to know the percentage of corners this season that
1. fail to clear the first man
2. cleared by a defender (other than the first man)
3. caught by the keeper
4. out for another corner
5. leading to a header at goal/shot on goal
6. a goal being scored
.... broken down by corner-taker & with short corners shown in a separate analysis too.

My guess is that short corners have been more productive in terms of creating chances (No. 5 above) comparative to long corners.
 
The Chief said:
Been saying this for ages. Can't understand why they aren't at least mixed-up every now and then with an in-swinger, they only need a touch and generally cause more panic. In addition, almost every time one was cleared by Chelsea today it set them on a bloody counter rather than falling to us.
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Interestingly there was an article in January WIRED magazine about the use of data analysis in football and our manager of strategic performance Simon Wilson. At one time we had gone 22 games without scoring from a corner, so they analysed 400 goals from corners and found that about 75% were scored from in-swinging corners. We changed to in-swingers and scored 9 goals from corners in 12 matches.

Looks that we should try that.
 
Sigh said:
geoff hammond said:
Corners are a false hope usually.

Crowds get up for it when their teams earn one but premier leagues statistics show that less than 1% of corners lead to a goal being scored.
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Is that right? Is that direct from a corner, or does it also include goals scored from knock downs, knock backs, poor clearances etc. What about short corners? Do you know when play from a corner extends to the point it can no longer be considered part of the initial play? I'm asking because you wrote "lead". I don't doubt the general point though. I wonder if persisting with "getting it in" is as much to do with no-one being able to figure out what to do, or mental inertia, as it is with an honest assessment of whether it really affords quality opportunities to score. I wonder if in the game the utility of corners has declined over time (e.g 1950s = 8%, 1960s = 8%, 1970's = 7%...2000's = 3%, 2010s = 1%) and whether this is unique to England, or unique to the PL. Anyway, I've always thought corners were all mouth and no trousers so naturally I'll jump at anything that confirms my bias.
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My scientific analysis came courtesy of Google search - seemed a reasonable site though. The info came from about 3 seasons ago.
Glad the VK took no notice tho when he headed in against the reds a couple of seasons ago
 
Again today, it was a pile of shit except that Negredo chance, of course. That could have been our only chance today to score, we had loads of corners after Navas' poor crosses.

So strange as we had some great corners in the first half of the season.
 
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