Coronavirus (2021) thread

[Summerbuzz]

But we do.
Plenty of evidence on the CDC web site and elsewhere. This particular article is a report on a paper from the Robert Koch Institute in Germany:

The risk of catching coronavirus outdoors – DW – 03/06/2021

As milder temperatures set in, the urge to flock outdoors is growing. Just how great is the danger of contracting the coronavirus in open-air settings? Does it make sense to wear masks? DW spoke to experts to find out.

www.dw.com

"If a jogger briefly passes me, there is very little risk," aerosol researcher Birgit Wehner tells DW. Gerhard Scheuch concurs. He says an infection risk only exists when individuals stand together closely for several minutes.

Which is what your man was describing initially, people close together in beer gardens.

 

[shemnel]

is there much peer reviewed stuff about the reduction of transmission of covid following vaccination? (not pre-print) i can only really find this one;

Initial report of decreased SARS-CoV-2 viral load after inoculation with the BNT162b2 vaccine - Nature Medicine

Breakthrough infections of SARS-CoV-2 occurring 12 or more days after the first dose of the BNT162b2 mRNA vaccine were associated with lower viral loads than those found in unvaccinated individuals, suggesting that the vaccine might reduce infectiousness.

www.nature.com

 

[Sheriff Fatman]

The film deliverance could of been filmed there..

With a cast completely comprised of people who say "could of" instead of "could have"! :-)

 

[Len Rum]

I think people are reading too much into Boris's comment. Lockdowns ARE the reason that cases/deaths reduced.

Vaccines will be the reason we can continue out of lockdown without another significant wave.

There is no way that vaccines alone will have reduced this last wave the way a lockdown did. Acknowledging that isn't suggesting another lockdown,

Of course what you say is true but I think you're missing the point.
A lot of people believed the previous messaging ( often stated directly but mainly done by implication) that the vaccine was totally responsible for reduction in cases,infections, deaths.
Now they're being disabused of that false notion and are confused.

 

[unicorn]

What self-respecting virus would want to go to Merthyr Tydfil?

In spent a weekend there once. It's the Rawtenstall of Wales. But without the good pubs.

 

[Healdplace]

Scotland Update:

3 deaths - was 5 last week

278 cases - was 289 last week

1.3% positivity - was 1.5% last week

119 patients - down 14 on yesterday - was 192 last week

20 ventilated - same as yesterday - was 21 last week.

 

[splinter]

With a cast completely comprised of people who say "could of" instead of "could have"! :-)

And rightly so..

 

[Healdplace]

Northern Ireland Update:

1 death - was 0 last week

97 cases - was 88 last week

4.8% positivity - was 7.0% last week

7 day rolling cases total 780 - was 774 yesterday & 561 last week

4 Care Home outbreaks - down from 5 - 6 last week

70 patients - down 7 in day - was 97 last week

5 ventilated - same as yesterday - was 10 last week


More good data here and as in Wales and Scotland patients still tumbling.

And - hoorah - after a long stall the care home number falls as low as 4!

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Mordena is mRNA based, AZ and J&J are DNA based (if I understand correctly)

AZ and J&J are viral vectors - they use a harmless virus to deliver RNA into your cells.

Moderna (and Pfizer) use naked RNA delivered in a fatty envelope which directly delivers into your cells without a need for a virus to do it.

Neither use DNA.

 

[paulchapo]

What self-respecting virus would want to go to Merthyr Tydfil?

I worked on the ships with a guy from there and he was not only odd but he could bore a glass eye to sleep.

He was going home once and was in the underground station at rush hour. After standing there for a while and letting a number of trains come and go security approached him to question what he was up to. He answered nothing, he was waiting for a train. They said, " Mate we've watched you let about 20 trains come and go and you've made no move to catch any of them, why?"

Now he spoke really slowly in this broad Welsh accent, wore big thick glasses and looked like a young fucked up Freddie Garrity . He replied, "I'm from a little village in the Welsh Valleys called Merthyr Tydfil, I'm not used to crowd's so I'm waiting for a quiet one before I get on."

They said incredulously, " You do know it's the rush hour, you'll be here for quite a while?"

He nodded and said," I'm in no rush, I'll wait "

They left him to it lol.

 

[Healdplace]

Phew: After yesterday's jump up.

England hospital deaths 26 with 5 from the North West

Happily well down from 42 and 8 last week.

That was up wk to wk (from 31) just as yesterday's was.

The weekend catch up always sees Wednesday as a high point. And that was impacted last week by the Easter Monday lag.

So 26 - sad as it is there are even that many - is really good to see on such a 'high' day.

 

[BobKowalski]

AZ and J&J are viral vectors - they use a harmless virus to deliver RNA into your cells.

Moderna (and Pfizer) use naked RNA delivered in a fatty envelope which directly delivers into your cells without a need for a virus to do it.

Neither use DNA.

Thanks. Glad I qualified it :)

 

[Cityfan]

AZ and J&J are viral vectors - they use a harmless virus to deliver RNA into your cells.

Moderna (and Pfizer) use naked RNA delivered in a fatty envelope which directly delivers into your cells without a need for a virus to do it.

Neither use DNA.

It all depends on definitions. The viral vectors contain DNA which encodes the spike protein.

 

[Healdplace]

More on the 26 England hospital deaths:

Regions:- East 2, London 1. Midlands 7, NE & Yorkshire 7, North West 5. South East 2 and South West 2

Most in any trust 3 in Bradford and 3 in Pennine Acute. Manchester and St Helens with 1 each the others bar Pennine Acute in NW.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

It all depends on definitions. The viral vectors contain DNA which encodes the spike protein.

I thought they were RNA rather than DNA viruses.

Checks... you're absolutely right.

Apologies, especially to @BobKowalski

 

[BlueAnorak]

So what is the point of having the vaccine if another lockdown is on the cards ?

It isn't.
Only new variants (not Kent, Brazil or SA) will cause an issue and we have surge testing capability now.

 

[BlueAnorak]

On the other hand, cases in France seem to have peaked, and France is almost certain to be testing more and finding a higher proportion of cases.

India, on the other hand, is currently experiencing exponential growth with a doubling time of just 10 days or so.

Only because they have locked down again. It will take 3 months to reduce the new case rate with lockdown and vaccination.

 

[mackenzie]

Went to see my mum today, for the first time in over 12 months, at her care home. We (me and my partner) didn't have to take a Covid test but could only see her in a "pod." If we want to visit her in her room then we have to take a Covid test 72 hours before the visit, but I only found that out yesterday. The pod wasn't ideal (closed room with a glass screen between her and us) but it was better than nothing. Felt like we were visiting her in prison though lol.
I want to take her to Albert Park across the road from the home this summer, get her out walking and seeing nature close up and experiencing sunshine again. No idea if that will be possible though, just have to wait and see.

 

[chesterbells]

Went to see my mum today, for the first time in over 12 months, at her care home. We (me and my partner) didn't have to take a Covid test but could only see her in a "pod." If we want to visit her in her room then we have to take a Covid test 72 hours before the visit, but I only found that out yesterday. The pod wasn't ideal (closed room with a glass screen between her and us) but it was better than nothing. Felt like we were visiting her in prison though lol.
I want to take her to Albert Park across the road from the home this summer, get her out walking and seeing nature close up and experiencing sunshine again. No idea if that will be possible though, just have to wait and see.

Glad you could go, that must have been emotional after so long. The glass partition sounds heartbreaking though. Went to see my mum this week for first time since last summer, but that was in her back garden, so not too bad, though a bit chilly for her.

 

[mackenzie]

Glad you could go, that must have been emotional after so long. The glass partition sounds heartbreaking though. Went to see my mum this week for first time since last summer, but that was in her back garden, so not too bad, though a bit chilly for her.

It was a little odd, yes. Glad you got to see your own mum this week.