Coronavirus (2021) thread

[M18CTID]

Is Portugal rising largely because of the influx of UK visitors while it was on the green list?

I heard their biggest problem area is the Ribeira region of Porto. Something to do with a load of football fans descending there en masse 2 or 3 weeks ago, many of whom respected the local rules when wearing masks while walking the streets but it kind of, cough cough, went out the window when they hit the riverside. Don't quote me on that though!

 

[Maldeika]

Denmark does more testing than anyone else, Germany far less than us.

I am not so sure if that about less testing in Germany is real as the schools test twice a week, you still need to have tests to visit inside restaurant, hotels and in a lot areas for shopping. I do not know if the fast testing centers we have in front of a lot of shopping areas etc. are part of the counting as I think that this is difficult to do or if just "real PCR tests" are counted.

The numbers really go down here in Germany. When I look at my region we went from more than 200 cases per 7 days about 2 months ago to 7 cases this week. And with that the conditions change - but it is not back to normal now as there is still restrictions with numbers who can visit shops at the same time, mask wearing is still required in shops, schools, busses etc., restrictions for meeting people or numbers of people at events etc.

Wearing masks means a FFP2-mask not normal cloth masks.

 

[Bluewonder]

Terrible idea to delay the reopening.
These people have lost sight of the reasoning to lockdown at all.
They can no longer see the wood for the trees.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Thank you roubaix, that is very interesting.

It is clear we have tossed away our big advantage by the utterly stupid tardiness over India - despite the reasoning.

The reckoning will come for that - especially as it seems it will cost the UK financially a lot as we were edging towards an early exit and quicker recovery. Now we lose that edge and are probably going to be paying for Covid much like we paid fof World War Two for decades.

Though I truly hope that does not mean 2085 before we pay off the Covid debt! Money will be extinct before the debt otherwise.

Now is not the time to demand a reckoning for the error. It will come. But for now we just have to try to do the right thing and hope that the early signs this wave can be brought under control in the next month and make this just a short delay not a long term postponement of the return to much normality.

Going to be a hard ask for a lot of people but unfortunately if they opt out from anger at the governmemt it will not be this government paying. It will be the businesses and employees who never recover. And the livelihoods ruined. Those of you angry - understandably - at politicians need to remember who we are doing what we are doing this for. Ordinary hard working people not politicians who would make money out of the apocalypse regardless of party persuasion. Because that is how the modern world works.

Wise words healdplace, but it doesnt make me feel any less angry and annoyed sadly.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Thank you roubaix, that is very interesting.

It is clear we have tossed away our big advantage by the utterly stupid tardiness over India - despite the reasoning.

The reckoning will come for that - especially as it seems it will cost the UK financially a lot as we were edging towards an early exit and quicker recovery. Now we lose that edge and are probably going to be paying for Covid much like we paid fof World War Two for decades.

Though I truly hope that does not mean 2085 before we pay off the Covid debt! Money will be extinct before the debt otherwise.

Now is not the time to demand a reckoning for the error. It will come. But for now we just have to try to do the right thing and hope that the early signs this wave can be brought under control in the next month and make this just a short delay not a long term postponement of the return to much normality.

Going to be a hard ask for a lot of people but unfortunately if they opt out from anger at the governmemt it will not be this government paying. It will be the business who never recover.

I think I posted quite a bit at the height of the vaccine furore that UK/EU vaccine procurement probably wouldn't make that much difference in the end and the differences were being overblown. Political noise rather than practical impact. So it has panned out.

On govt mistakes, and reckoning, it looks as though this India variant will cost us probably 4 weeks of the final stages of relaxation, and a few thousand people hospitalised, but very few deaths.

Without trying to minimise the huge impact on businesses, those seriously unwell and those personally inconvenienced ion various ways, that is very small beer compared to the mistakes made throughout, particularly the response to the second wave. I see no likelihood of any reckoning associated with this, quite the opposite, the govt is riding high.

 

[artfuldodger]

Thank you roubaix, that is very interesting.

It is clear we have tossed away our big advantage by the utterly stupid tardiness over India - despite the reasoning.

The reckoning will come for that - especially as it seems it will cost the UK financially a lot as we were edging towards an early exit and quicker recovery. Now we lose that edge and are probably going to be paying for Covid much like we paid fof World War Two for decades.

Though I truly hope that does not mean 2085 before we pay off the Covid debt! Money will be extinct before the debt otherwise.

Now is not the time to demand a reckoning for the error. It will come. But for now we just have to try to do the right thing and hope that the early signs this wave can be brought under control in the next month prove true and make this just a short delay not a long term postponement of the return to much normality.

Going to be a hard ask for a lot of people but unfortunately if they opt out from anger at the governmemt it will not be this government paying. It will be the businesses and employees who never recover. And the livelihoods ruined. Those of you angry - understandably - at politicians need to remember who we are doing what we are doing this for. Ordinary hard working people not politicians who would make money out of the apocalypse regardless of party persuasion. Because that is how the modern world works.

The politicians were too slow to respond to the situation in India, however if people hadnt been travelling there in the first place, as we told not to, and self isolated as required, it wouldn't have been an issue.

 

[BlueAnorak]

The politicians were too slow to respond to the situation in India, however if people hadnt been travelling there in the first place, as we told not to, and self isolated as required, it wouldn't have been an issue.

Most went via Turkey using different passports from Turkey to India/Pakistan/Bangladesh till Turkey was closed off. Only banning foreign travel has any effect.
A huge mistake in my view but the chattering classes care more about holidays than a pandemic.

 

[unicorn]

It feels as if we are falling behind at this point.

• Germany has reported fewer than 1,000 new daily cases for the first time in eight months, with 549 infections reported on Monday. The country could also be on its way to phasing out masks as cases continue to fall, Health Minister Spahn has said, with rules on wearing face coverings outdoors likely to be lifted first
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• Denmark is also easing its rules from today, with face masks only required on public transport during rush hour and for standing passengers - a requirement that is expected to be lifted by autumn. The country's coronavirus pass, Coronapas, is also being phased out and capacity at sport events increasing
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• Six more Italian regions are also loosening restrictions from today, with a total of 12 of the country's 21 regions and autonomous provinces now under the lowest level of restrictions - although mask wearing and social distances remain in place, and large gatherings are still banned

Beyond the political squabbling, I'm just delighted to see Europe getting back to normal (and not just because I want to be drinking in Nuremberg and Bamberg pubs later this year !).

 

[M18CTID]

Beyond the political squabbling, I'm just delighted to see Europe getting back to normal (and not just because I want to be drinking in Nuremberg and Bamberg pubs later this year !).

Yep. While it's no doubt frustrating that we're going to see restrictions last that little bit longer when we're so close to the finish line, it's good to see so many other countries catching up now and if we and the rest of Europe come out of this at roughly the same time then that'll be a good thing IMO.

 

[worsleyweb]

There are 16 European countries currently with a worse deaths per capita than us.

Sshhh - they dont like good news like that.

 

[Healdplace]

Whoever was to blame for any mistake - and mistakes were inevitable in an unprecedented situation like this one - the most important thing in life is to learn from it and not repeat it over and over again,

MIstakes are forgivable. Repeating them as if expecting the same thing not to happen never can be. Especially in those trusted with important decisions.

If we get out of this as well as Roubaix suggests - and I do hope we do and am fairly optimistic he may be right too - then the enquiry into the past 15 months will have to focus on making sure that next time we do not make the same mistakes again. And benefit tomorrow by building on the misfortunes of the past.

Because there will be a next time. Hopefully not soon. But one day. And if we go through all this and someone else next time fails to heed what we did this time - both right and wrong - because of political ideology not what actually worked and did not work then THAT would be the biggest error of all.

Pandemics are immune to politics. And the inquiry into this one has to be that too and identify what matters for the replay - whenever it happens.

 

[feedmpenzaandhewillscore]

Previously when the country goes up the curve on infections there is that clamour to shut hospitality, retail etc from Sage etc. Is the hope from the government that this wave will grow but crash into a barrier of antibodies be it through natural immunity or the vaccination drive?

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

I think I posted quite a bit at the height of the vaccine furore that UK/EU vaccine procurement probably wouldn't make that much difference in the end and the differences were being overblown. Political noise rather than practical impact. So it has panned out.

On govt mistakes, and reckoning, it looks as though this India variant will cost us probably 4 weeks of the final stages of relaxation, and a few thousand people hospitalised, but very few deaths.

Without trying to minimise the huge impact on businesses, those seriously unwell and those personally inconvenienced ion various ways, that is very small beer compared to the mistakes made throughout, particularly the response to the second wave. I see no likelihood of any reckoning associated with this, quite the opposite, the govt is riding high.

They are not riding high in my household.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Whoever was to blame for any mistake - and mistakes were inevitable in an unprecedented situation like this one - the most important thing in life is to learn from it and not repeat it over and over again,

MIstakes are forgivable. Repeating them as if expecting the same thing not to happen never can be. Especially in those trusted with important decisions.

If we get out of this as well as Roubaix suggests - and I do hope we do and am fairly optimistic he may be right too - then the enquiry into the past 15 months will have to focus on making sure that next time we do not make the same mistakes again. And benefit tomorrow by building on the misfortunes of the past.

Because there will be a next time. Hopefully not soon. But one day. And if we go through all this and someone else next time fails to heed what we did this time - both right and wrong - because of political ideology not what actually worked and did not work then THAT would be the biggest error of all.

Pandemics are immune to politics. And the inquiry into this one has to be that too and identify what matters for the replay - whenever it happens.

I fear the whitewash is already being prepared. When was the last time any politician was ever properly held to account aside from at the ballot box

 

[KS55]

he needs to be tried in a court of law.

Incompetence is not a criminal offence.

 

[Tonster]

Sshhh - they dont like good news like that.

Especially when it's not true. There are nine countries in Europe not sixteen with a worse per capita rate than the UK but only one with a comparable population (Italy).

 

[worsleyweb]

Especially when it's not true. There are nine countries in Europe not sixteen with a worse per capita rate than the UK but only one with a comparable population (Italy).

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You quote the source i used from the 6th of June - i think i stated 10th a few pages back - we are moving down the list rapidly and i think by now we could well be 16th as the poster stated as it was changing that fast. i saw something the other day which had us 13th or 14th. Either way we are certainly not top aside from the US as the nutter Kowalski incorrectly stated.

 

[KS55]

That's what they said a few months ago!

This is how myths start. Check the caveats, one of which was that restrictions would remain in place, "if there is a variant of concern".

 

[KS55]

In fairness molecular nanophysics is the most geeky of all scientific study. The coolest by far is the Bunson Burner attached to water tap whilst teacher isn’t looking study.

Ha! I brought down a section of false ceiling that way many years ago. My Phd thesis was rejected.

 

[KS55]

You are just lying now! We do not have the most excess deaths per 100,000. Far from it - check your facts

Coronavirus death rate in Europe, by country 2023| Statista

As of January 13, 2023, Bulgaria had the highest rate of COVID-19 deaths among its population in Europe at 548.6 deaths per 100,000 population.

www.statista.com

We were 10th in Europe per 100,000 population when this was published and falling on a weekly basis - not bad when you consider the population density of this country.

Second only to Malta in Europe for jabs given per 100 people.

Europe: COVID-19 vaccination rate by country 2023| Statista

As of January 18, 2023, Portugal had the highest COVID-19 vaccination rate in Europe having administered 272.78 doses per 100 people in the country, while Malta had administered 258.49 doses per 100.

www.statista.com

To be honest you are just talking utter shit as per usual to suit your agenda. Thankfully i have not seen any of your ramblings for the last year but you are still as odd as ever and more importantly just spouting incorrect information.

Genuine criticism of gov failures is necessary, but making up stuff simply muddies the waters and drowns out proper scrutiny. Those who do this are harming their own case and making it easier to escape proper examination.