Coronavirus (2021) thread

[give it to gordon]

The UK yellow card data on both vaccines say - they're fine. Less problems than traditional vaccines actually. There is a very very small problem with the reverse issue of blood clotting with both vaccines, but again it is well below the population average (similar micro % for both vaccines).
The only issue is for allergy prone people - and that is standard for all vaccines.
It is purely political to hide their shite vaccine roll outs.

Yea not concerned about the vaccine, it's the fact that from what I have seen again with the fact that school kids arent obeying government guidelines again.
Are we hoping the vaccine will work quick enough to protect us from the school kids !

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

Surely this is all political isn't it? EU taking revenge for EU supplies issues, maybe even Brexit revenge. But it does seem that way to me. Mainly it surprises me that no one is really reporting that angle, which makes me think I am wrong.
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Also why is no one looking at the other vaccines and how many deaths happen in those scenarios. Surely 40 deaths put of 17m is provable across the board?

 

[roubaixtuesday]

For those who think this is some sort of political crusade against UK or AZ

News - The Paul-Ehrlich-Institut informs - Temporary Suspension of Vaccination with COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca

After intensive consultations on the serious thrombotic events that have occurred in Germany and Europe, the Paul-Ehrlich-Institut recommends the temporary suspension of vaccinations with the COVID-19 vaccine AstraZeneca.

www.pei.de

Compared to the status on 11 March 2021, additional cases (as of Monday, 15 March 2021) have now been reported in Germany. Analysing the new data status, the experts of the Paul-Ehrlich-Institut now see a striking accumulation of a special form of very rare cerebral vein thrombosis

 

[blueparrot]

They will all be accountable when they have their next elections
This is the start of the end for the EU

How? as it's individual governments/regulators deciding not the EU.
The European Medicines Agency (EMA) will meet on the same day and is due to draw conclusions on Thursday. It has also said the vaccine should continue to be used.

 

[KS55]

The decisions are not being made by politicians.

It's that simple.

Is this correct? Certainly here, while scientists make recs, politicians make the decision.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Surely this is all political isn't it? EU taking revenge for EU supplies issues, maybe even Brexit revenge. But it does seem that way to me. Mainly it surprises me that no one is really reporting that angle, which makes me think I am wrong.
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Also why is no one looking at the other vaccines and how many deaths happen in those scenarios. Surely 40 deaths put of 17m is provable across the board?

I think they’ve looked at the Pfizer figures and the serious incident from blood clots is slightly less. The regulators are losing sight of the massive upside to the vaccine and politics is probably playing its part.

Likewise it’s easier for politicians in the rest of Europe to try to make political gain when a bunch of fuckwits in Kent are contributing to a third wave. Of course it should be safety of populations first but few politicians operate in the public’s best interests.

The Oxford / AZ vaccine is great IMHO (based on the science I have read) and it is the jab I have received. That said, not many posters on her supported it when the early efficacy findings were published. There’s a lot of politics behind criticising regulators in other Countries too.

 

[moomba]

The decisions are not being made by politicians.

It's that simple.

Who is making the decisions?

European medical authorities say its safe, is it in medical authorities in individual countries? Or governments?

Has anyone put their name to it?

 

[KS55]

It's not governments.

It's regulatory agencies.

Which regulatory agencies have withdrawn licences for AZ.?
Unless licences are withdrawn, it is just a rec and politicos decide.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

For those who think this is some sort of political crusade against UK or AZ

News - The Paul-Ehrlich-Institut informs - Temporary Suspension of Vaccination with COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca

After intensive consultations on the serious thrombotic events that have occurred in Germany and Europe, the Paul-Ehrlich-Institut recommends the temporary suspension of vaccinations with the COVID-19 vaccine AstraZeneca.

www.pei.de

Compared to the status on 11 March 2021, additional cases (as of Monday, 15 March 2021) have now been reported in Germany. Analysing the new data status, the experts of the Paul-Ehrlich-Institut now see a striking accumulation of a special form of very rare cerebral vein thrombosis

I don't think its a crusade against the UK or AZ , I think its political in so far as countries and politicians are using it as a distraction and then justification for their own poor vaccine roll out.

I noticed you didn't comment on the fact that the Director General of Italy’s medicines authority AIFA publicly stated it was a political decision to halt the roll out of the vaccine?

Why would she say this if she didn't believe it and it wasnt?

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Is this correct? Certainly here, while scientists make recs, politicians make the decision.

I think in reality it's a bit mixed.

Here, the MHRA would make the decision if it's safe. That's regulatory, not political.

The JVCI recommends the strategy - and that's perhaps best described as a mix. It's possible that the MHRA could decide a vaccine is safe enough to use, but the JVCI decide to restrict use perhaps.

But here, politicians absolutely do NOT get to make the decision as to whether a vaccine is safe. That's simply and straightforwardly regulatory.

AFAIK it's similar across Europe - safety decisions are strictly regulatory, but the speed of rollout etc are political.