Coronavirus (2021) thread

[roubaixtuesday]

I noticed you didn't comment on the fact that the Director General of Italy’s medicines authority AIFA publicly stated it was a political decision to halt the roll out of the vaccine?

Yeah, I'm busy so just liked it to acknowledge.

I don't really know what was meant.

Complicated isn't it? Nuance required.

 

[Man_City_Loyal]

rates are creeping up again around Manchester etc it seems

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Which regulatory agencies have withdrawn licences for AZ.?
Unless licences are withdrawn, it is just a rec and politicos decide.

Yes, but in Germany, for instance there's no way the politicos would every go against the PEI.

So it's de facto quasi regulatory. It's not like Merkel took a call either way, they just followed the advice AFAIK.

 

[PragueBlue]

From a local news source:

The Czech Republic, unlike some other EU states, is not going to suspend the use of the AstraZeneca anti-COVID vaccine application since no connection between it and the incidence of blood clots has been proved, Health Minister Jan Blatný said after yesterday’s cabinet meeting. He said blood clots occur equally often in the vaccinated and not vaccinated population.

Last week, the AstraZeneca company said it would cut its March supplies to the EU. Blatný said the country will receive 120,000 doses instead of the expected 200,000 in March.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

politicians are using it as a distraction and then justification for their own poor vaccine roll out.

Honestly, I think this is pretty far fetched. But we can agree to disagree I think.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Yeah, I'm busy so just liked it to acknowledge.

I don't really know what was meant.

Complicated isn't it? Nuance required.

Yes I saw that, I was interested in your take on it as you clearly have much greater knowledge in this area than most of us including myself. I just try and look at things from a logic point of view. I think we can both agree that the pause in vaccinations is significantly counter productive at best and severely damaging at worst. The whole situation in Europe is a mess.

 

[KS55]

Yes, but in Germany, for instance there's no way the politicos would every go against the PEI.

So it's de facto quasi regulatory. It's not like Merkel took a call either way, they just followed the advice AFAIK.

Yes, Germany is very risk averse. The precautionary principle is not a robust answer where there is an emergency, the effects of which are greater than the risks from the solution.

 

[Invisible Man's Bandage]

I’m at the point where I couldn’t actually give a rats arse if the rest of Europe uses AZ or not as long as people here continue to take it up in huge numbers.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

I think we can both agree that the pause in vaccinations is significantly counter productive at best and severely damaging at worst.

I agree, but I can see why, given what the Paul Ehrlich Institute reported, a rationale for it, even if I wouldn't see it that way myself. I don't see it as a black and white situation. And I'm wary of giving strong opinions without either having seen the data or having the expertise to evaluate it.

Equally, we've vaccinated 10 million+ without seeing the problem.

The whole situation in Europe is a mess.

Indeed. Let's hope they can sort it out.

 

[KS55]

Yes, but in Germany, for instance there's no way the politicos would every go against the PEI.

So it's de facto quasi regulatory. It's not like Merkel took a call either way, they just followed the advice AFAIK.

"De facto quasi regulatory"...... are you Macron in disguise? You're probably right, tho'.