Coronavirus (2021) thread

[Invisible Man's Bandage]

What is confusing me somewhat is the delay in the UK approving new vaccines such as J&J and Novavax. The MHRA has been conducting rolling reviews of vaccine trials in order to approve them quickly once final results are in but this doesn't seem to be the case with these two. J&J has been approved by the EU already and the data for Novavax is out and Chris Whitty amongst others has been tweeting about how good it has been.

Novavax seems to be an ideal vaccine to approve as it will be manufactured in Teeside and you'd assume they are producing already in anticipation of approval (covered by the government I reckon).

Does anyone have more information on this issue?

 

[roubaixtuesday]

If that evidence comes to fruition then I see the benefit, otherwise it’s pointless. A negative test should be all that’s needed.

I can see arguments both ways. Don't have a strong view.

I'd much rather take my 80yo father to a full Etihad where everyone was vaccinated. But whether passports is a good way to maximise vaccination, or a proportionate response, I think is complex.

 

[True_Blue69]

I can see arguments both ways. Don't have a strong view.

I'd much rather take my 80yo father to a full Etihad where everyone was vaccinated. But whether passports is a good way to maximise vaccination, or a proportionate response, I think is complex.

I’m not that bothered if I’m honest as I’ll get there vaccine and get the passport no problem. Just unsure what they are looking to achieve with it if it doesn’t stop you catching or passing it on. Will keep an eye out for the results.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

What is confusing me somewhat is the delay in the UK approving new vaccines such as J&J and Novavax. The MHRA has been conducting rolling reviews of vaccine trials in order to approve them quickly once final results are in but this doesn't seem to be the case with these two. J&J has been approved by the EU already and the data for Novavax is out and Chris Whitty amongst others has been tweeting about how good it has been.

Novavax seems to be an ideal vaccine to approve as it will be manufactured in Teeside and you'd assume they are producing already in anticipation of approval (covered by the government I reckon).

Does anyone have more information on this issue?

Vague and possibly incorrect recollections follow:

Novavax haven't submitted final data and don't anticipate full scale production for a while (you need both production data and clinical trial data for approval).

J&J sumitted a couple of weeks earlier in the EU (it's normal for major markets to be prioritised) - UK approval imminent.

 

[BLUEMATT23]

Well after yesterday's grenade from Hancock despite what they say i'll be amazed if the roadmap dates are not changed.
Very poor press conference yesterday, burst all the good news balloon for me.

 

[shemnel]

Well after yesterday's grenade from Hancock despite what they say i'll be amazed if the roadmap dates are not changed.
Very poor press conference yesterday, burst all the good news balloon for me.

try not to worry too much - if you think that March 29th (in people's gardens, outdoor sport) and April 12th (outside pubs, self contained accommodation and other stuff) probably does not have a specific uptake of 1st doses required, then they should be unaffected. they are too soon to be impacted at all by the april shortfall so the only possible spanner is a case surge, which could happen regardless of yesterday's announcement.

May 12th is where it may get trickier, but again we may not be that far behind come mid-May so it might not be effected at all. IIRC, the vaccination surge news came after the roadmap (?) so we might just be back to square 1, if the vaccination rate is even considered at all.

 

[GaudinoMotors]

There is literally no conceivable political reason that makes any sense at all to anyone but the most rabid Eurosceptic why any government would pause the rollout of AZ for non-scientific reasons. It would achieve nothing but shitting on an Anglo-Swedish company and killing their own citizens for point scoring. There had to be a scientific reason, and although it seems to be a huge overreaction because of the consequent risk (or should I say certainty) of additional unnecessary loss of life, this explanation is far more plausible than any others I've seen. If we weren't in the middle of a pandemic it would make sense to pause it to investigate concerns and that would probably go unnoticed, but the decision makers don't seem to have taken the risk of pausing into proper account.

Wow.
Must be nice.

 

[Cheesy]

The bit I’m struggling to comprehend are the vaccine passports and what they are looking to achieve? The vaccine doesn’t stop you catching it or presumably passing it on, so what benefit does only allowing vaccinated people travel etc. when the only risk that is mitigated is that they are less likely to die or end up in hospital?

It 100% helps in not passing on the virus to others. It must do when you look at what the vaccine does do. Yes, it doesn't stop you catching the virus, it stops (in the main) the symptoms of the virus.

What's the main transmission method for the virus? Coughing.

Therefore, if the virus stops people coughing it must help in reducing transmission.

What can't definitively be said at the moment is that the vaccine itself stops transmission as there's not enough evidence for that.

 

[west didsblue]

Wow.
Must be nice.

??

 

[BLUEMATT23]

try not to worry too much - if you think that March 29th (in people's gardens, outdoor sport) and April 12th (outside pubs, self contained accommodation and other stuff) probably does not have a specific uptake of 1st doses required, then they should be unaffected. they are too soon to be impacted at all by the april shortfall so the only possible spanner is a case surge, which could happen regardless of yesterday's announcement.

May 12th is where it may get trickier, but again we may not be that far behind come mid-May so it might not be effected at all. IIRC, the vaccination surge news came after the roadmap (?) so we might just be back to square 1, if the vaccination rate is even considered at all.

To be honest I was looking forward to getting my 1st jab in April, fuck knows when it will be now.
I have plans for the summer and a holiday abroad in October but I have doubts on everything now if as they say they will implement vaccine passports and you could be barred entry from places.
The people in 20s / 30s / 40's will be shut out of the summer the way it's going and I don't think that's right.
I don't trust a word this goverment says anymore to be honest.