Are you missing the context?
goalposts moving. Vaccinate the vulnerable then we will open up. Now we can’t as we now have to wait for variants. What’s next?
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goalposts moving. Vaccinate the vulnerable then we will open up. Now we can’t as we now have to wait for variants. What’s next?
blueparrot
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I’m still missing any context. Only context required is ,does the vaccination make you and your family safer ,yes or no. End of decision making.
MCFC_ Phil
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I don't think I was missing the context. There is a real point in having the jab. Follow the roadmap laid out and we will be in a good position. There will be no foreign holidays this year as there is no way we can risk the new variants until the vaccines are modified
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There will be foreign holidays this year. Maybe not to every country but selectively based on vaccination rate and cases. Already said that the current vaccines are effective against the new variants. There will be variants for ever more. Vaccines adjusted accordingly each year much like the flu vaccine. Indeed there is international travel now for a variety of reasons.
MCFC_ Phil
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Yes very selective international travel. We would have to be crazy to risk bringing back any number of potential new variants, letting loose half the population to the usual tourist hotspots. Europe's not looking too clever is it. Now is the time for really strict border control.
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HOSPITAL DATA
Headline:
Admissions falling, UK patients under 6000, England under 5000 and UK ventilators below 800 - down a huge 3200 in under 8 weeks. Every region has less than 1000 patients when London alone had 7000 in January. No wonder deaths are tumbling. And most England regions down on both patients and ventilators again.
UK total:
Patients 5607 - it was 39, 248 at the peak on 18 Jan - (fall of 33, 641 in 61 days) :- lowest since 14 October
Ventilators 789 it was 4077 at the peak on 24 Jan - (fall of 3288 in 55 days) : lowest since 25 October
England only:-
ADMISSIONS:-
351 Covid admissions (18 March) - following 343, 364, 431, 357, 385, 386, 449 in the week before.
PATIENTS:-
Patients down 252 in day to 4589 v 6072 last week :- lowest since 15 October.
Peak was 34, 336 on 18 Jan (fall 29, 747 in 61 days)
Ventilators: Down in day 39 to 710 v 1000 last week :- lowest since 24 October
Peak was 3736 on 24 Jan (fall 3026 in 55 days)
Regions:
Patient // Ventilators // change in past 24 hours and v last week
East down 28 to 421 v 575 // UP 1 to 75 v 94
London down 45 to 941 v 1190 // down 26 to 211 v 308
Midlands down 93 to 969 v 1356 // down 14 to 155 v 221
NE & Yorks down 22 to 754 v 1003 // UP 1 to 95 v 131
North West down 40 to 779 v 986// down 1 to 89 v 125
South East down 30 to 549 v 733 // UP 1 to 61 v 88
South West down 4 to 176 v 229 // down 1 to 24 v 33
Headline:
Admissions falling, UK patients under 6000, England under 5000 and UK ventilators below 800 - down a huge 3200 in under 8 weeks. Every region has less than 1000 patients when London alone had 7000 in January. No wonder deaths are tumbling. And most England regions down on both patients and ventilators again.
UK total:
Patients 5607 - it was 39, 248 at the peak on 18 Jan - (fall of 33, 641 in 61 days) :- lowest since 14 October
Ventilators 789 it was 4077 at the peak on 24 Jan - (fall of 3288 in 55 days) : lowest since 25 October
England only:-
ADMISSIONS:-
351 Covid admissions (18 March) - following 343, 364, 431, 357, 385, 386, 449 in the week before.
PATIENTS:-
Patients down 252 in day to 4589 v 6072 last week :- lowest since 15 October.
Peak was 34, 336 on 18 Jan (fall 29, 747 in 61 days)
Ventilators: Down in day 39 to 710 v 1000 last week :- lowest since 24 October
Peak was 3736 on 24 Jan (fall 3026 in 55 days)
Regions:
Patient // Ventilators // change in past 24 hours and v last week
East down 28 to 421 v 575 // UP 1 to 75 v 94
London down 45 to 941 v 1190 // down 26 to 211 v 308
Midlands down 93 to 969 v 1356 // down 14 to 155 v 221
NE & Yorks down 22 to 754 v 1003 // UP 1 to 95 v 131
North West down 40 to 779 v 986// down 1 to 89 v 125
South East down 30 to 549 v 733 // UP 1 to 61 v 88
South West down 4 to 176 v 229 // down 1 to 24 v 33
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Now that's a pretty picture.
And variants are exclusive to abroad are they? So we wait for the vaccines to be updated? And then another variant or two comes along? Then what?
Let’s see what the ‘task force’ recommends on 12th April. No reason safe travel to well vaccinated countries with low prevalence for vaccinated UK people couldn’t start this summer. Variants will continue forever. Borders can’t be closed forever more.
MCFC_ Phil
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Obviously not. But the risks increase. We'll be ok to go to Israel and the UAE, maybe even Greenland. Variants per se are not the issue, it's the variant that outwits the vaccine that is
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