Coronavirus (2021) thread

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Alan Harper's Tash said:
You are on ignore. I checked to see what shite you posted.

Graphs have been posted in this thread which show why you chose the wrong vaccine. The onus is on you to find them. I don’t care whether you do or not. You argue shite in bad faith to back up your views.

I’m glad I never got in your taxi.
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Good God lad your getting worse. You placed me on ignore but took me off to see what I had posted : /
Thank you Dr Alan for your fine input.
 
babyape said:
Good doc on anti vaxxers on All4. Centres around Andrew Wakefield (I’d never heard of him, but Christ, what a twat). Very interesting stuff.

Of course, all boils down to one thing, money…

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Watched this a couple of months ago.

Sadly the pattern is all too familiar. Thieves and con artists taking advantage of the thick and gullible. A tale as old as time.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
Exactly. Any debate that encourages people to have the vaccination is great. Any that wants people to have sympathy with non vaccinated people forgets that their inactions are elongating the pandemic unnecessarily.

There was a fan in his 20s behind me in the chippy queue yesterday who was chatting on his phone about how he was proud not to have the vaccine. I was happy that 4-5 people around him tried to talk with him rationally about what his decision meant to himself and others around him. It probably did no good, but people were trying.
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I was talking a real life scenario. Its what is happening to us. 4 Grandchildren under 14, a daughter recently on the 'at risk' list because of a heart attack and the two of us over 60s. Thankfully the adults are all double jabbed because 2 of the girls are now Covid positive (caught at school), we are all close contacts so will soon see what level of protection the vaccination has given us. We live in Scotland where the volume of cases was a record yesterday. Until everyone is vaccinated we aren't going to stop this endless wave upon wave. I do think everyone that can get a vaccine should get one. Surely it is a responsibility to themselves, to their families and to wider society.
 
For me, the characteristic that principally defines anti-vaxxers, isn’t their selfishness, as most of them genuinely believe they are doing the right thing; I t’s their supreme arrogance and stupidity.

They actually think they are better informed on the subject than the overwhelming majority of medical professionals (and by overwhelming, I would say over 95%) based on something they’ve read on the internet. And they are prepared to play cards with their lives off the back of it, with all the devastating consequences for those around them.

Arrogant, deluded, recalcitrant clowns.

It’s both comic and tragic in equal measure.
 
Two Gun Bob said:
Yes you are sad but true. All the same he could have died if he was fully innoculated miniscule or otherwise.

I will give you a sceneario and it could be any one off here but lets just say that one of Rics kids would not get innoculated or anyone of your alt forum chums. Would you come to forum to flame them and cause further upset or angst? I can not see any reason to talk ill of the dead save for point scoring.

Anyway help yourself to a jacket ..theres plenty to go around
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"Could have died" - but A LOT less likely. In fact for someone his age, the chance is miniscule if vaccinated
 
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gordondaviesmoustache said:
For me, the characteristic that principally defines anti-vaxxers, isn’t their selfishness, as most of them genuinely believe they are doing the right thing; I t’s their supreme arrogance and stupidity.

They actually think they are better informed on the subject than the overwhelming majority of medical professionals (and by overwhelming, I would say over 95%) based on something they’ve read on the internet. And they are prepared to play cards with their lives off the back of it, with all the devastating consequences for those around them.

Arrogant, deluded, recalcitrant clowns.

It’s both comic and tragic in equal measure.
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I’ve got a mate whose Arsenal fan who I normally take to the Etihad for our game against the Gooners. I didn’t bother this time because not only won’t he take the jabs but he’s discouraging others too. This is on the back of the guy having the virus 12 months ago and necessitating the rest of the volunteers to self isolate.
 
Tim of the Oak said:
I’ve got a mate whose Arsenal fan who I normally take to the Etihad for our game against the Gooners. I didn’t bother this time because not only won’t he take the jabs but he’s discouraging others too. This is on the back of the guy having the virus 12 months ago and necessitating the rest of the volunteers to self isolate.
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I’ve got a mate who lives in Bali who (for a short period) was sending me anti-vaxx propaganda, until I called an elderly anti-vaxx campaigner a stupid old ****, which seemed to do the trick, and I’ve not heard from him on the subject since. He is almost evangelical in his belief.

Why does a hairdresser from Nottingham (not knocking hairdressers from Nottingham btw) know more about the subject than my consultant radiologist brother?

It’s fucking madness.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
I’ve got a mate who lives in Bali who (for a short period) was sending me anti-vaxx propaganda, until I called an elderly anti-vaxx campaigner a stupid old ****, which seemed to do the trick, and I’ve not heard from him on the subject since. He is almost evangelical in his belief.

Why does a hairdresser from Nottingham (not knocking hairdressers from Nottingham btw) know more about the subject than my consultant radiologist brother?

It’s fucking madness.
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Spot on mate. Btw, I sorted a ticket for another Arsenal fan who hasn’t revived from the 5 nil mauling.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
I’ve got a mate who lives in Bali who (for a short period) was sending me anti-vaxx propaganda, until I called an elderly anti-vaxx campaigner a stupid old ****, which seemed to do the trick, and I’ve not heard from him on the subject since. He is almost evangelical in his belief.

Why does a hairdresser from Nottingham (not knocking hairdressers from Nottingham btw) know more about the subject than my consultant radiologist brother?

It’s fucking madness.
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They “did their research”.

I bet academics around the world are kicking themselves now. All these years spent reading thousands of books and contributing to peer reviewed papers when all you really need to do is watch a few YouTube videos by @TruthSeeker2000 and your research is done.
 
Tim of the Oak said:
I’m awaiting your scintillating contribution
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I regularly posted on this thread and I still read it for the excellent Healdplace updates but generally it has become a boring anti vaxxer fest. I’m fully vaccinated and believe all eligible people should take it up but there only so many of these stories you can take.
 
I got Back from Amsterdam last Sunday. I of course tested negative before I flew. I got pinged, as did my missus, yesterday saying we had been in contact with someone who had tested positive. She’s Dutch and the only place it could have been was on the plane as nobody here knows her email or mobile number. I can’t believe it’s taken 7 days for a notification when everyone should have taken a two day test. We are both fine but off for a test today which will hopefully be my 5th negative test in 3 weeks.
 
Invisible Man's Bandage said:
I regularly posted on this thread and I still read it for the excellent Healdplace updates but generally it has become a boring anti vaxxer fest. I’m fully vaccinated and believe all eligible people should take it up but there only so many of these stories you can take.
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I quite like a bit of schadenfreude when the people involved have shared their warped views to anyone who would listen and have likely been partly responsible for the pandemic continuing at its current level.
 
Are we seeing any fans who have caught Covid at the Ethiad now? I went to the Everton game and Wembley but now with cases increasing, I didn't go to Norwich or Arsenal. If no cases are being reported I will start going again. If I catch it and can easily spread it to my elderly parents and even with the vaccine they could get really ill or die. What I lack is facts to make a more informed decision.
 
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