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unicorn said:
Thanks. Must say a clear correlation to AZ isn't what I understood from the press conference, but BBC says "The regulator said this was not proof the jab had caused the clots. But it said the link was getting firmer."
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I think there is a clear correlation, but no known mechanism to explain it.

And correlation is not causation, especially in this situation where the more publicity there is on side effects, the more will be reported.
 
BlueAnorak said:
Full details on the risk in the Telegraph now....
www.telegraph.co.uk

The press conference nobody wanted to give – what we learnt from the blood clot briefing

Medicines regulator forced to concede that the AstraZeneca Covid jab is possibly causing a rare but deadly brain condition
www.telegraph.co.uk www.telegraph.co.uk

The age graphs are the most important (attached). Basically those below 30 with a low exposure risk are better off taking a different jab. Foe everyone else the maths are still in favour...
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Wish they'd break it down by year. If you're 30-32 where does that put you in the risk balance?

I'm wondering because I'm in that age bracket and it's definitely making me reconsider getting the vaccine if I can only get the AZ.

Also makes you realise how you need to let things play out for a few months to see what these vaccines are like in a big sample of millions before committing. I had it in my mind that I'd be getting the Johnson and Johnson single jab at some point but it's too new to know the real risk balance just yet.
 
crooky said:
Wish they'd break it down by year. If you're 30-32 where does that put you in the risk balance?

I'm wondering because I'm in that age bracket and it's definitely making me reconsider getting the vaccine if I can only get the AZ.

Also makes you realise how you need to let things play out for a few months to see what these vaccines are like in a big sample of millions before committing. I had it in my mind that I'd be getting the Johnson and Johnson single jab at some point but it's too new to know the real risk balance just yet.
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exactly, if 3 months to show this vaccine doesn't work for youngsters then where's the guarantee Moderna or Johnson & Johnson, so it's another 3-6 months waiting before we can commit to it.
 
GM Weekly Pop Scores after today:~

Borough / Score Today / Score 7 days ago / up or down wk to wk/ Testing is % of local population who have tested positive for Covid over past year.

As ever with Pop scores going up is bad, going down good - the higher the number the better or worse depending on direction moving. The Pop Score is total cases in past week versus 100,000 POPulation to even out the comparison versus size and expected cases based on numbers living there.


Rochdale 67 / 93 / Down 26 Testing positive 9.5%

Oldham 66 / 109 Down 43 Testing positive 9.6%

Manchester 64 / 92 / Down 28 Testing positive 9.5%

Bolton 60 / 105 / Down 45 Testing positive 9.0%

Tameside 60 / 98 / Down 38 Testing positive 8.0%

Stockport 51 / 62 / Down 11 Testing positive 7.1%

Wigan 49 / 81/ Down 32 Testing positive 8.8%

Bury 46 / 65 / Down 19 Testing positive 9.0%

Trafford 38 / 75/ Down 37 Testing positive 6.9%

Salford 36 / 85 / Down 49 Testing positive 8.9%\



More big changes with the incredible turn around to very low numbers taking Salford to the top with a huge 49 shift inside the week. Two boroughs in the 30s with pop scores and nobody above the 60s is very good and unseen since last Summer.



Weekly cases:- Bury is down another 8 to have a weekly total at just 86. Lowest since late summer last year

Trafford joined them and stay second on just 90. And Salford made it three on just 93.

It is a very long time since 3 GM boroughs had less than 100 cases in a week.

Tameside are on 138. Stockport 149 and Rochdale join them on the same total. Oldham have 156 cases and Wigan now on 159. Bolton on 173.

Leaving just Manchester above but unlikely to manage sub 200 easily given its much higher population but also falling fast at just 350. It's lowest numbers since July. It was ten times that number last autumn before the vaccine arrived.
 
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roubaixtuesday said:
So no vaccination programme should ever start.

Lock down without end it is, I guess.
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not really, clearly a need for the older and vulnerable populations so rightly or wrongly they've been the guinea pigs. No reason for the lowest risk to rush if we're suppressing cases, adhering to social distancing and can allow issues to arise and be dealt with early to protect the long-term future of the country instead of crippling with debilitating waves of ill health due to a previously undetected defect.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
So no vaccination programme should ever start.

Lock down without end it is, I guess.
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I don't mean overall I mean in terms of my age group and younger.

We don't need to rush out and get the vaccine because of the low risk so it's better to wait and see what risks the vaccines have first.
 
unicorn said:
I think a number of people I know would lose the plot if indoor hospitality (pubs) was pushed back from 17th May because not all adults vaccinated, assuming that hospitalisations were still at or below current levels after the next set of easings on Monday !
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I'm generally in favour of great caution given both the fundamental properties of the virus and the repeated failed overoptimistic policies.

But the current figures are so good now, if anything accelerating seems more justified to me than delaying reopening if anything.

Schools not making R>1 was huge.
 
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