Coronavirus (2021) thread

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Went to the Winterwonderland event at the GMEX on Sunday 5 people I went with have tested positive this week one with new variant. Super spreader event.

Out of interest, what did they do to find out which variant they tested positive for? I know a few people who tested positive and are frustrated at the lack of transparency over which variant they had.
 
Don't worry something similar is in the pipeline.

By the way I won't need one, as I'm vaccinated. I just don't believe in forcing others into doing things they don't want. People should have autonomy over their own bodies.
Unless directly impacting others, then they should just do what's right like a normal, decent human being.
 
If anyone starts to get their knickers in a twist over this covid shit, best thing to do is ignore everything you hear about it.

Turn the news off, trust me life is so much better.

It's here to stay and there's nothing we can do about it, so let's stop treating it like its the bubonic plague.
There were cases of that in Colorado and Madagascar in the last three months… ;-)
 
On severity, the UKHSA assess as "insufficient data" to know, table below.

South Africa reports of less severity vs delta are encouraging, but bear in mind:
- increase in cases has been so steep it's still very early to know
- younger people than delta reported to be infected
- there's a lot more immunity in SA, both from infection and vaccination, than there was when delta hit.
- the SA population is *much* younger than uk

So probably a reasonable basis of planning, but with a lot of uncertainty, is that there's no difference like for like in the same patient population.

This is actually very good news, if true, because it means that vaccines are holding out very well against severe disease. That wasn't a given.

There's an upside of it being milder, which would be great. There have been reports of more severe illness in children, which, if true, would be a downside.

All of this could change rapidly as more data emerges.

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Been lively on here I see.

Lots of very confident statements on the (lack of) severity of omicron.

Lots of people insulting experts.

Mixed views on whether some degree of restrictions is appropriate.

I felt myself getting sucked in to a state of frustration before, partly with posters and partly because of the damn virus. I'll make just a couple of posts, so apologies if I don't stay on for lots of debate.
Plan for the worst, hope for the best. Let's see how South Africa's hospitalisation data progresses. The booster news from Pfizer was good.
 
On current transmission, the news seems very, very bad indeed, with just a glimmer of hope from SA.

Omicron cases in the UK, quite astonishingly, continue to double every 2-3 days. That's faster than the original strain, but in our population where a very high proportion have some immunity from either vax or infection. We can expect that from today onwards to reflect in the headline overall figures as omicron is significant enough to raise the overall total.

Here's Scotland, just for example, but it seems the same everywhere. As always, there are caveats, but this seems to be far too fast to be explained by anything but genuine community spread and very high immune escape, ie previous infection and vaccination doesn't give high protection.

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Cases currently maybe 5-10,000 in UK?

So 20-80,000 this time next week, on top of delta, unless something changes.

I expect people will now rapidly behave more cautiously, including the wfh mandated, but in lots of other ways too, so hopefully it'll not be that bad.

The glimmer of hope is SA where at the epicenter, cases have slowed and maybe even peaked. That's hard to explain in terms of immunity. It may be behaviour, testing limitations or something else, but just maybe there's something not well understood going on and less people are susceptible than feared.
 
If you've not been vaxxed, please, do it today. Right now.

If you're eligible for a booster, book it now.

If your kids are eligible and unvaxxed, get them done too.

Get stocked up on LFTs. Use one before doing anything at all high risk (like going to a crowded football stadium...) even if you're vaxxed. Mask up. Look after one another.

It's not yet certain, but more and more likely we're in for a rough time ahead.
 
Out of interest, what did they do to find out which variant they tested positive for? I know a few people who tested positive and are frustrated at the lack of transparency over which variant they had.
Just took pcr test as far as I know, apparently they can check via that what you’ve got
 
England hospital summary today:

Patients are down today by 42 to 6088. Last Friday they fell by 64.

They are up week to week from 5851 by 237.

Regionally London is struggling the most - up 30 patients to 1193 today and going over 200 on ventilators for the first time in a good while. Not far short of a quarter of all those in the UK.

Midlands also up by 28 to 1165

North East & Yorkshire fell the most today. And right now are doing the best of all England regions in daily cases and on Zoe. Down 33 to 890

North West down just 3 to 829 and is up week to week from 815. 829 is the lowest of all the major regions. Only East and South West have fewer patients than North West. North West on 103 has half the ventilated patients that London does.
 
UK hospital numbers fell today - Scotland and Northern Ireland both fell day to day along with England and only Wales went up by 13 to 388.

UK total patients today is down 43 on 7366.

That is up from 7285 last Friday.

Ventilated patients are up 6 - every nation going up by small numbers. Total 903. It was 900 last Friday.

So edging up but pretty flat really. Not increasing dramatically but the path has changed from small falls to small rises in the past week or so.
 
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Is this virus behaving differently to any other we've known? It's an odd one to me. I know the flu changes all the time so is this normal, or is it proof it's been tampered with at source to make it more deadly? I'm not big on conspiracies but it does make you wonder.
 
Get those boosters booked people.


2 doses of AZ 25 or more weeks ago gives "10% protection".
2 doses of Pfizer/Biontech 25 or more weeks ago gives "40% protection"

Im in the AZ group, Booster booked for next week.
 
Is this virus behaving differently to any other we've known? It's an odd one to me. I know the flu changes all the time so is this normal, or is it proof it's been tampered with at source to make it more deadly? I'm not big on conspiracies but it does make you wonder.

Viruses mutate like any other organism does. its just evolution.

the speed of mutation is the question, Flu mutates quickly, Chicken pox etc very slow.
 
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