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Strikes me the supermarkets are happy to take the money, business must be booming with restaurants & pubs shut but can't be arsed in the main enforcing masking rules.

Well here's a thought there's thousands of doormen not working with clubs/pubs shut, spend some of the profit you're making to employ them short-term. There's little point paying lip service and putting a 'do you want fries with that' kid on the door but, a unit with experience would have an effect.
 
Invisible Man's Bandage said:
The numbers that will be vaccinated are lower than many think and hopefully it can be completed sooner than stated. Under 16s won't be vaccinated so that is around 19% of the population and the NHS is hoping that take up for eligible adults will be 75%. They expect a high take up with the elderly & vulnerable groups but less for younger groups. 75% take up will be at the high end I think.

Some people won't have it for health or ethical concerns but a whole lot more won't because they can't be bothered tearing themselves away from watching the telly, playing games on their phones or getting pissed up.
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Evidence of vaccination looks like it will be required to get on a plane and leave the country, Qantas are bringing that policy in so I imagine all other major airlines will too. Sporting events, festivals, concerts even getting into a bar, I can see some type of vaccination passport being asked for. If you don’t want a vaccine due to you not wanting Bill Gates to know what you thought of Windows 98, prepare to not be able to do much went leisure and hospitality opens.
 
feedmpenzaandhewillscore said:
Evidence of vaccination looks like it will be required to get on a plane and leave the country, Qantas are bringing that policy in so I imagine all other major airlines will too. Sporting events, festivals, concerts even getting into a bar, I can see some type of vaccination passport being asked for. If you don’t want a vaccine due to you not wanting Bill Gates to know what you thought of Windows 98, prepare to not be able to do much went leisure and hospitality opens.
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I can see that, but vaccine passports aren’t being issued,and none planned so no sure how anyone can enforce checking.
 
blue b4 the moon said:
Strikes me the supermarkets are happy to take the money, business must be booming with restaurants & pubs shut but can't be arsed in the main enforcing masking rules.

Well here's a thought there's thousands of doormen not working with clubs/pubs shut, spend some of the profit you're making to employ them short-term. There's little point paying lip service and putting a 'do you want fries with that' kid on the door but, a unit with experience would have an effect.
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Problem is the supermarkets are currently being staffed by teenage temporary staff , my teenage daughter being one. Half the staff are off due to shielding or having to look after their kids. Whenever she needs help or wants to ask a question, the reply is usually ‘no idea, I only started last week’. And she’s expected to challenge people regarding panic buying/hoarding. I agree they need some big burly blokes on the door.
 
blue b4 the moon said:
Strikes me the supermarkets are happy to take the money, business must be booming with restaurants & pubs shut but can't be arsed in the main enforcing masking rules.

Well here's a thought there's thousands of doormen not working with clubs/pubs shut, spend some of the profit you're making to employ them short-term. There's little point paying lip service and putting a 'do you want fries with that' kid on the door but, a unit with experience would have an effect.
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Most of the top supermarkets (Tesco, Aldi, Sainsbury's, Morrisons) employ security staff who could implement these rules.

If you are expecting them to employ bouncers then expect supermarkets to pass that cost on to customers. I wouldn't say "business is booming" as things in the retail sector are very volatile and grim. Constant battle with suppliers to keep costs down which are passed on to the customer. We are actually spoilt in the UK to have access to low cost supermarkets, booze and food on the continent is a lot more expensive.

Perhaps the government who have imposed these new laws can use their police to enforce it a lot more and have a greater presence in supermarkets.
 
Northernstorirs said:
Most of the top supermarkets (Tesco, Aldi, Sainsbury's, Morrisons) employ security staff who could implement these rules.

If you are expecting them to employ bouncers then expect supermarkets to pass that cost on to customers. I wouldn't say "business is booming" as things in the retail sector are very volatile and grim. Constant battle with suppliers to keep costs down which are passed on to the customer. We are actually spoilt in the UK to have access to low cost supermarkets, booze and food on the continent is a lot more expensive.

Perhaps the government who have imposed these new laws can use their police to enforce it a lot more and have a greater presence in supermarkets.
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The supermarkets near me employed security staff during the first lockdown. They just stopped discounting products rather than putting prices up.

Strangely, The security guard at Waitrose didn’t turn up for the first few days of the first lockdown despite working there for years. Presumably, he didn’t think it was worth the risk of pitching up for work.
 
Healdplace said:
You can check every borough for the number of deaths just like cases and like the weekly Pop score for cases they have one for death rates for each borough.

Here is the GM list Deaths in total / Pop rate - per 100,000 to compare with everywhere else evenly

Bolton 553 / Pop 193

Bury 397 / Pop 208

Manchester 745 / Pop 135

Oldham 467 / Pop 197

Rochdale 497 / Pop 224

Salford 472 / Pop 182

Stockport 451 / Pop 154

Tameside 526 / Pop 232

Trafford 346 / Pop 146

Wigan 787 / Pop 240

In fact since I last looked Wigan has had a significant number of recent deaths and has now become the highest not just in GM but the second highest in the UK.

So three of the top four are in the NW and two in GM.

Across the pandemic Greater Manchester since February last year has recorded a total of confirmed cases that is 184. 488

Out of these the number of deaths in GM recorded have been 5241

That is a GM mortality rate of 2.8%


Of course, in reality it is probably a lot lower as it depends how many cases were asymptomatic or just not tested as - especially in the first wave when tests were rare and only given if you went into hospital - and even today plenty of people never get sick enough to be tested - though less than once was true.

So At worst it will be half that assuming twice as many cases as were tested positive. Though most people think it may well be even higher than that.

If the presumed mortality rate of Covid is nearer to 0.28% than 2.8% it would mean 10 x the number of cases on record in GM would have to be multiplied by ten meaning 1.84 million have had it in the region.

2, 835, 686 live in GM and that number would be in herd immunity territory of over 60%.

So you would have to guess it is a higher mortality than 0.28 and perhaps somewhere in between there and 2.8%. Depending on how many you think have had it between 184, 000 and 1. 84 million.
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Thanks for that.

Living adjacent to Blackpool I was somewhat surprised that they rank so high particularly when the cases per 100k is relatively low. Total cases per 100k is coming in around 5%, much lower than Manchester, Liverpool etc at around 7%.

So unless I'm misunderstanding I'm more likely to contract it in Manchester than Blackpool, but more likely to die in Blackpool than in Manchester.
 
trumpton said:
Thanks for that.

Living adjacent to Blackpool I was somewhat surprised that they rank so high particularly when the cases per 100k is relatively low. Total cases per 100k is coming in around 5%, much lower than Manchester, Liverpool etc at around 7%.

So unless I'm misunderstanding I'm more likely to contract it in Manchester than Blackpool, but more likely to die in Blackpool than in Manchester.
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I have a fairly low opinion of Blackpool Victoria from previous family illness so I'm not at all surprised that they're high up in the mortality rankings.
 
lancs blue said:
The problem is that proof of vaccination isn't proof that you cannot transmit the virus. Only a very recent negative covid test can provide an adequate level of proof.
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Vaccine certificates are going to be a thing for travelling to certain countries, irrespective of whether people like it or not. There’s a long list of counties where we’re required to get certain jabs before entry. I imagine it also helps with reducing hospitalisations abroad.
 
worsleyweb said:
Well most of that is nonsense - see above
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Ooh this is fun, see below

infections are still going up - early suggests showing it may be on the way down - not what I saw yesterday
deaths are still going up - will fall in line with above - as above
cockwombles are still ignoring guidance - dicks will be dicks - vast majority conforming - doesn't change my point, and from what I've seen "vast" is a bit optimistic
vaccine distribution is being compromised (eg 2nd dose after 12 weeks not 3 without due diligence on the actual effect of that change) - i will take Chris Whittys opinion on this - Whereas other medical experts opinion, perhaps outisde the direct political influence CW is subject to, is where my comment came from
vaccine effectiveness ranges from a pretty poor 65% upwards - is sufficient and far higher than mist flu vaccines
re-infection is being reported - in a very very small number and no one appears to be getting very ill second time round - at last we agree, point still valid in response to the original question though
infection post vaccine is being reported (low figures so far I grant you) as your point and before immunity has kicked in - agree again, we're on a roll
cockwombles are still ignoring guidance (have I said that already?) yes you have - I did didn't I
new more infectious strains are being reported on a weekly basis - not quite - 2 but still likely to be covered by vaccine - UK, South Africa, Japan, are you from Burnley?
Herb Hancock and Boris said it's still pretty shit (I'm paraphrasing) but light at end of tunnel - there has been light at theend of that particular tunnel for months, could be the headlights of the locomotive steaming towards us
government guidance is up and down quicker than a whores drawers (as my dear departed father used to say) or its proactive dependent upon the changing nature of a pandemic - It's not proactive is it. It's been reactive from day one and not even particularly quickly reactive
cumulative negative effect on peoples wellbeing (mental and fiscal) as a combined result of Covid, Brexit, economy and dear old Donald (threw the Mango Macaque in for shits n giggles really) Most people are pleased with Brexit, economy is holding up better than expected. I'll grant your economy point, but the latest polls disagree with your most people point
 
Marvin said:
I hope she's OK. Sounds very stressful.
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just woke them up , mrs/daughter with a brew,some vit C and D, took their temps and oxygen levels whilst playing

The Prodigy - 'Breathe' - YouTube

which i thought was very apt, they didn't seem to appreciate it :)

wife is stable feels just a bad as yesterday , dortz the same, and I'm usually ok in the morning and go down hill as the day goes on
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
The gov will have a record of who has had the vaccine. Name Dob and NHS number. I think having a vac passport is a good idea.
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It could be done, but I don't think the govenment want to, and when we get to a point when there are no more covid hospitalisations / deaths than a normal flu season I think the demands of business will drop the idea of asking for it.
I don't really have a strong opinion on it either way. In the end it will be down to those vulnerable to choose to either get themselves vaccinated or take a risk with their own health same as those choosing not to get flu vaccinations, but there may be a short term benefit over the next 12 months while we get the majority vaccinated.
 
MeatnSpudsMCFC said:
Vaccine certificates are going to be a thing for travelling to certain countries, irrespective of whether people like it or not. There’s a long list of counties where we’re required to get certain jabs before entry. I imagine it also helps with reducing hospitalisations abroad.
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I agree.
I'd expect insurance companies to demand them too.
 
blue b4 the moon said:
Strikes me the supermarkets are happy to take the money, business must be booming with restaurants & pubs shut but can't be arsed in the main enforcing masking rules.

Well here's a thought there's thousands of doormen not working with clubs/pubs shut, spend some of the profit you're making to employ them short-term. There's little point paying lip service and putting a 'do you want fries with that' kid on the door but, a unit with experience would have an effect.
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KFC in failsworth employs a security guard at night because of scrotes im sure these billion pound companies can afford a few doormen 24/7, if you dont like it im sure the corner shop will let you in and pay extortionate prices with no mask.
 
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