Coronavirus (2021) thread

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I have a lot of sympathy with your view because even a broken clock gets it right twice a day. However I do think that he deserves credit for the fast move on purchasing vaccines.

Think that was more Hancock who basically chucked money at it (correctly) and fixed the AZ contract so it was UK first, which in turn had a knock on effect in the EU. Our organisation of the rollout was better in the early days too.

This gave the UK a tremendous head start which has slowly dissipated with European countries now closer (as per link). As of yesterday some like Denmark have overtaken us. Belgium and Spain (I think) will do so shortly based on current rates.

 
I have a lot of sympathy with your view because even a broken clock gets it right twice a day. However I do think that he deserves credit for the fast move on purchasing vaccines.
That is my view too. I think he got plenty wrong but IF it proves that our early and bold and multi faceted backing of different kinds of vaccines and willingness to start as soon as we were pretty sure they were safe and ahead of almost everywhere else that was a brave gamble that paid off for us all.

It bought us precious time which just might have made all the difference.

And the same thing might be happening now for similar reasons.

We are a way from being sure that this is enough to get us through the coming months. And long term vaccine efficacy against tihs virus is uncertain,

But it seems we got the vaccine programme right - quite possibly better than any large nation did.

Though the cost of it will still have to be faced at some point it was a necessary step rather like winning World War Two whatever the money needed to pay for it because it was realised it was do that or as a nation die.

Just hope we are not paying off the WW 2 debt to America as long with the vaccines.

If you do not know we owed the US $45 BILLION for things like rickety old ships they did not need and paid it off on New Years Eve 2006! After well over half a century.
 
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This is fucking disgraceful:


Thank fuck we have data to show that the vast majority of people don’t believe in this sort of shit.

36m UK adults fully vaccinated so far with 46m with at least one jab, with those numbers ever rising.

There are 52m adults in the UK.

That minority of idiots and are a worry, but it least they’re a minority. Gives you some faith in the country we live in seeing we are the vast majority.
 
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As I have posted for weeks there did seem a risky strategy at play to race vaccine/herd immunity levels rising together via fast spreading cases amongst the least badly impacted who were saying no to vaccines with the knowledge it would likely not peak hospital numbers too badly in the Summer.

As I have also said day by day as it appeared the peaking in Scotland and North West - the first two into the Delta wave - had become now pretty hard to deny over the past couple of weeks and not just the past few days - because the data in THOSE areas had had enough time for it to show that it has filtered into the hospital numbers now - so is clearly real not test related.

Again as I have kept stressing the NUMBER of tests means less than the positivity rating FROM those tests. That is falling too where cases have been going down - eg Scotland. More evidence it is real not just some lab glitch.

Most expected the other regions to take over that increase from Scotland and NW where the falls are not so much a surprise on the first into a wave first out of it principle - as the other regions clearly were until a few days ago but not at a remarkable upward level.

As I also have suggested (and thats all it is - ie a guess) perhaps the time bought for these other regions before Delta spread there was enough to edge up levels of immunity via added weeks of jabbing to tip the balance and lower their peaks to below expectation.

This MIGHT be what is happening. But it is for now speculation, and just by me not any kind of expert.

And until we see it filtering through to falls in hospital days in those other regions - which ARE currently going up - then it is wise to be cautiously optimistic as that is the most balanced way to view what might be happening.

If it is panning out like that it will be very good news, obviously.

But scientists are cautious and most will wait for finalised data to be sure,

But they will be just as hopeful this is for real and will be sustained.

Only time will tell.

A combination I guess, hot weather, people self isolating in sufficient numbers, ditto mask wearing and generally being cautious, vaccines.

As you say, only time will tell but I’m going to be optimistic if only because (1) why not and (2) what I think or feel will make sod all difference :)
 
A combination I guess, hot weather, people self isolating in sufficient numbers, ditto mask wearing and generally being cautious, vaccines.

As you say, only time will tell but I’m going to be optimistic if only because (1) why not and (2) what I think or feel will make sod all difference :)
Nothing wrong with being optimistic right now. Just tempered with caution in case it all goes pear shaped,

It is kind of the British way. Always Look on The Brightside of Life.

Then get Sunburn because you did.
 
Starting to look like the data may be tomorrow now.

Still no explanation beyond the usual 'difficulties in processing' and no time estimate as in hours or days as to when!
 
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