Coronavirus (2021) thread

[ctwrd]

Short term deaths are here and now and are measurable (and are appallingly high).

Long term deaths, how many and over what period, please tell us so we can see whether you have a valid argument or not.

My original point was in response to a suggestion that lockdown needs to shut down all but essential work. It has clearly been decided that the long term damage would be too much otherwise the government would have gone further. So I am extremely valid.
I agree with the current lockdown and believe it should have occurred sooner.
some (not you) appear to see my post referencing short term v long term deaths and have jumped on the use of the phrasing that the additional lives saved by shutting down all but non essential work are “not worth” the long term damage in economic and health terms (ie. ultimately death). I am apparently disgusting for wanting to save more lives over long period of time.
Thankfully, the government and scientists agree that it is not correct to go any further.

 

[mackenzie]

The communication/messaging has been shite for years.
We've been told that the NHS is under "unprecedented pressure" "threatened" or worse for the last two decades at least.
I'm not saying it wasn't (far from it) but now, when the message REALLY needs to get across, it doesn't because 24/7 news has heightened every little thing in the news market and diluted it.
Now nobody believes it :-(

 

[mosssideblue]

My original point was in response to a suggestion that lockdown needs to shut down all but essential work. It has clearly been decided that the long term damage would be too much otherwise the government would have gone further. So I am extremely valid.
I agree with the current lockdown and believe it should have occurred sooner.
some (not you) appear to see my post referencing short term v long term deaths and have jumped on the use of the phrasing that the additional lives saved by shutting down all but non essential work are “not worth” the long term damage in economic and health terms (ie. ultimately death). I am apparently disgusting for wanting to save more lives over long period of time.
Thankfully, the government and scientists agree that it is not correct to go any further.

I think over the coming days, restrictions will be tightened. Not even this Government can sit and watch the huge daily death rate without intervening

 

[blueparrot]

My original point was in response to a suggestion that lockdown needs to shut down all but essential work. It has clearly been decided that the long term damage would be too much otherwise the government would have gone further. So I am extremely valid.
I agree with the current lockdown and believe it should have occurred sooner.
some (not you) appear to see my post referencing short term v long term deaths and have jumped on the use of the phrasing that the additional lives saved by shutting down all but non essential work are “not worth” the long term damage in economic and health terms (ie. ultimately death). I am apparently disgusting for wanting to save more lives over long period of time.
Thankfully, the government and scientists agree that it is not correct to go any further.

Yet.

 

[ctwrd]

I think over the coming days, restrictions will be tightened. Not even this Government can sit and watch the huge daily death rate without intervening

The current ones haven’t kicked in yet.

I do wonder what more they can suggest and would argue that any change this week would merely be in the terminology than the rules themselves

 

[Nellies left peg]

The communication/messaging has been shite for years.
We've been told that the NHS is under "unprecedented pressure" "threatened" or worse for the last two decades at least.
I'm not saying it wasn't (far from it) but now, when the message REALLY needs to get across, it doesn't because 24/7 news has heightened every little thing in the news market and diluted it.
Now nobody believes it :-(

Every year about this time we hear stories about hospitals at breaking point. The boy who cried wolf I fear nobody takes it seriously. The press are much to blame for people's lack of following the rules with all their scaremongering over the last few years

 

[Healdplace]

All the Southern regions well down again and North West up to it's second worst ever. The trend of the North West set to be THE centre of the pandemic is unfortunately continuing.

LONDON down 1625 to 13, 674

EAST down 1023 to 5858 (now been below the NW for last few days when at Christmas it was 2 or 3 times higher)

SOUTH EAST down 1771 to 8377 (If these falls carry on NW will likely be above there too in a day or so).

SOUTH WEST is up slightly to 2968 but after yesterday that is still the second lowest in 10 days.


So it seems the South has stemmed the tide and the North West is now the big problem area and is yet to do so because whilst Merseyside has stabilised GM has been trending up.

 

[mosssideblue]

Every year about this time we hear stories about hospitals at breaking point. The boy who cried wolf I fear nobody takes it seriously. The press are much to blame for people's lack of following the rules with all their scaremongering over the last few years

Can't agree with that. Irrespective of how the media report, people are responsible for their own actions. Everyone in this country knows what they need to do.

 

[kaz7]

Every year about this time we hear stories about hospitals at breaking point. The boy who cried wolf I fear nobody takes it seriously. The press are much to blame for people's lack of following the rules with all their scaremongering over the last few years

Hospitals are really stretched in winter , what gets reported is true

 

[mosssideblue]

The current ones haven’t kicked in yet.

I do wonder what more they can suggest and would argue that any change this week would merely be in the terminology than the rules themselves

My issue is with the likes of Costa, Starbucks, Garden Centers, McDonald's and the like being deemed essential.