Coronavirus (2021) thread

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Rammy Blue said:
Well personally I don’t agree with posting a report like that without any sort of explanations to it, if you say you’ve read it and didn’t particularly understand it then imo it’s pointless putting it in here.
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The only reason I posted it was for someone who'd read a press report saying we'd be locked down to 2022.

I was trying to explain how the science that erroneous report was based on was much more positive than that!
 
roubaixtuesday said:
Well, I tried, but I don't think you're listening.
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go on then explain? Alll seems to hing on your line of for whatever reason the vaccine is ineffective. No evidence whatsoever that it is. In fact quite the opposite? Go on fire away I am all ears.
 
Rammy Blue said:
Well personally I don’t agree with posting a report like that without any sort of explanations to it, if you say you’ve read it and didn’t particularly understand it then imo it’s pointless putting it in here.
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I see that, and it’s a fair point. On the other hand if the report is out there then posting it here gives people a chance to see it and decide their own view on it. As he isn’t claiming to know how they came to their findings I think those that haven’t read it blaming the poster for it’s findings and wanting him to explain the findings is a bit unfair.
As I say I don’t really understand how they got to it and have my doubts about it, but I’m not blaming Rubaixtueday for that.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
The only reason I posted it was for someone who'd read a press report saying we'd be locked down to 2022.

I was trying to explain how the science that erroneous report was based on was much more positive than that!
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I’m not intending to butt heads with you mate, I said the other day I’m not a big fan of having to click through and read Twitter reports or documents etc.

So, consequently, as far as I’m aware that article/graphs you posted might be based on an assumption of vaccines only working at for example 10% efficacy. I don’t know. But without info like that imo they shouldn’t be posted in here.

I’ve just clicked back, and the second graph shows that even if we keep restrictions until Jan 22 we will still have a surge bigger than current one. That has to be utter horseshit unless based upon vaccines not working.
 
I just post the numbers and you make of them what you will.

But you will have a hard time not smiling at todays England hospital data. After a week of daily falls today continues the trend down.

Well below the 'latest' numbers the BBC seem to have noticed.

Patients down in last 24 hours from 24, 402 to 23, 042. Seven days ago they were 28, 571. Week before 32, 614. And from 34, 336 some 5 days earlier at the high point of inpatients on 18 Jan - coinciding exactly with the date of the peak death numbers from England hospitals too it is worth noting.

So a near continuous fall over past 19 days of over 11,000 - or about a third.

Instead of arguing about doom mongers in here some of you should be asking the BBC why they are not reporting things like this? Seems a story people deserve to know. If I was still working for the BBC and kept this quiet I would have been fired.

Though that was then. This is now.
 
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worsleyweb said:
Alll seems to hing on your line of for whatever reason the vaccine is ineffective
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The combination of the vaccine not being 100% effective, vaccine takeup being less than 100% and some of the population (children) being ineligible leaves potential for exponential growth leading to 1000+ deaths per day at peak *if* all restrictions are removed.

If you want the details on the assumptions, read the report.
 
blueparrot said:
Why are you asking him, it isn’t his report he didn’t do the research he just posted it. Read it then believe it or don’t. I read it and don’t quite understand it. So aren’t in any position to disbelieve it or not, but will assume it’s based on some science.
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I ask and he replied ( presume he’s a he ) in layman’s terms , of which I’m thankful. You said you didn’t understand it and would of been the same .
 
roubaixtuesday said:
The combination of the vaccine not being 100% effective, vaccine takeup being less than 100% and some of the population (children) being ineligible leaves potential for exponential growth leading to 1000+ deaths per day at peak *if* all restrictions are removed.

If you want the details on the assumptions, read the report.
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Sorry to jump on this mate but that’s crap, and you know it. Simple maths says that if say 80% of the population are vaccinated and it’s got 90% efficacy, and 100% on not serious illness, then there is fucking zero chance we have a surge higher than the current one. Not a prayer. It’s impossible.
 
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Rammy Blue said:
But as I’ve just posted we have no idea what efficacy they are basing the vaccinations upon or any other context. It’s bollocks.
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All the assumptions are in the report.

They go through various potential scenarios with different assumptions.

With all possible respect, worth considering how likely that people who've spent their lives studying something are talking bollocks vs our amateurish analysis here.
 
Healdplace said:
I just post the numbers and you make of them what you will.

But you will have a hard time not smiling at todays England hospital data. After a week of daily falls today continues the trend down.

Well below the 'latest' numbers the BBC seem to have noticed.

Patients down in last 24 hours from 25, 334 to 24, 402. Seven days ago they were 28, 571. Week before 32, 614. And from 34, 336 some 5 days earlier at the high point of inpatients on 18 Jan - coinciding exactly with the date of the peak death numbers from England hospitals too it is worth noting.

So a near continuous fall over past 19 days of nearly 10,000 - or about a third.

Instead of arguing about doom mongers in here some of you should be asking the BBC why they are not reporting things like this? Seems a story people deserve to know. If I was still working for the BBC and kept this quiet I would have been fired.

Though that was then. This is now.
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Covid inquiry: The UK pandemic in numbers

Explore the data on how the coronavirus pandemic unfolded in the UK.
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roubaixtuesday said:
All the assumptions are in the report.

They go through various potential scenarios with different assumptions.

With all possible respect, worth considering how likely that people who've spent their lives studying something are talking bollocks vs our amateurish analysis here.
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your amateur analysis included. I am out for the night.
 
Didsbury Dave said:
First time I hugged my dad was when we won the league in 2012, aged 42 and 70 respectively, and we’ve done it every time we’ve met since. It’s never too late to start mate!
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Now you come to mention it, I did break down at Wembley when we beat Stoke, all those years with my dad and never seeing us win anything.

I hugged him then and that was a real 'moment' between us.

My dad is 70 in June and can hopefully celebrate it as a family in some capacity.

I might even pay for his season ticket this year as a present, just to say thank you for everything.

He was angry when he found out I sold my wedding ring and 40th birthday watch last year to keep my business afloat, turning up the next day with £2k in cash at the door.

He told me there and then that family was everything to him and don't ever keep quiet again or he would kick my arse up and down the street.

As I've said previously, this has been a massive learning experience for me this year and humbled me in more ways than I thought possible, whether it has been family coming to help me or the kindness of strangers on here.

Covid killed my business, and I thought it might even kill me, but I like the person I have become much more during this difficult year.

I have got to the age of 46 and realised nothing is forever, take it all in, good, bad, or ugly.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Now you come to mention it, I did break down at Wembley when we beat Stoke, all those years with my dad and never seeing us win anything.

I hugged him then and that was a real 'moment' between us.

My dad is 70 in June and can hopefully celebrate it as a family in some capacity.

I might even pay for his season ticket this year as a present, just to say thank you for everything.

He was angry when he found out I sold my wedding ring and 40th birthday watch last year to keep my business afloat, turning up the next day with £2k in cash at the door.

He told me there and then that family was everything to him and don't ever keep quiet again or he would kick my arse up and down the street.

As I've said previously, this has been a massive learning experience for me this year and humbled me in more ways than I thought possible, whether it has been family coming to help me or the kkdnbese of strangers on here.

Covid killed my business, I thought it would even kill me, but I like the person I have become much more during this time.

I have got to the age of 46 and realised nothing is forever, take it all in, good, bad, or ugly.
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that’s all well and good but are we buying haaland?
 
Healdplace said:
I just post the numbers and you make of them what you will.

But you will have a hard time not smiling at todays England hospital data. After a week of daily falls today continues the trend down.

Well below the 'latest' numbers the BBC seem to have noticed.

Patients down in last 24 hours from 25, 334 to 24, 402. Seven days ago they were 28, 571. Week before 32, 614. And from 34, 336 some 5 days earlier at the high point of inpatients on 18 Jan - coinciding exactly with the date of the peak death numbers from England hospitals too it is worth noting.

So a near continuous fall over past 19 days of nearly 10,000 - or about a third.

Instead of arguing about doom mongers in here some of you should be asking the BBC why they are not reporting things like this? Seems a story people deserve to know. If I was still working for the BBC and kept this quiet I would have been fired.

Though that was then. This is now.
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Excellent news on the hospital figures. It’s easing pressure on the surge capacity and if progress continues the range of hospital services will be able to resume.
 
My mother in law got a phone call at 2pm this afternoon to go get a jab at 3pm

When she got there loads were lining up called last minute

There are loads being thrown away every day & weekend
 
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