Coronavirus (2021) thread

[everythingchangesbutblue]

Scary how many want to censor the press when it's something they don't want to hear.

 

[BlueAnorak]

It's pretty irresponsible for journalists like Newton-Dunn to post sensationalist stuff like that when there is no real evidence to back it up yet.

Yep. Especially as each vaccine targets multiple areas of the spike proteins. Each vaccine targets different areas too. As such it would take mutations of mega proportions to stop ALL the vaccines from working.
Now virus selection pressures will start to work against vaccines once they start to be deployed but it will take a long time (years) for that to happen.
The real worry is if a cell gets infected with SARS2 and say a cold virus at the same time and you get SARS2 with a totally different Spike protein but the chances of that are pretty remote.
Even then we could modify these vaccines in a couple of months to counter the threat rather than the 10 months it took.

 

[bluetonium]

I don't see what boris is getting at with saying we should expect more severe restrictions soon. Then on the other hand he says send the kids back from tomorrow. Fortunately our primary school doesn't restart until the 11th, but what else is left now, apart from full lockdown again?

For months the only trips my family have made are to school, the shops for food and essentials, and checking on elderly family members and neighbours from the end of their driveway, and the occasional walk in local woodlands plus one trip to pick up a takeaway. Maybe were not the target of fresh restrictions, but the lack of clarity and this game of hints and tips is just bloody frustrating and created confusion and stress even if we are not sure it affected. Oh, for some clarity from our leaders.

Are there any places still open which are not essential now in tier 4? I just don't get it, and by coming out with such sound bytes the buffon just fuels fear. Say what the problem is, say who is the problem, and then restrict it as much as possible, and enforce it. Don't have the whole bloody nation guessing if they have to iron school uniforms, buy in food for school lunches, start rearranging work plans and meetings or not. I'm preparing for some surgery this week which will knock me sideways for a while, will it go ahead? Who knows, they certainly won't be telling us until five seconds before I'd bet.

Although in an odd way this could work out interestingly for us. The grandparents have been isolating for weeks prior to Christmas to ensure we could have that one day, so have the kids since school. If they do delay schools again we could conceivably have had over two weeks of isolation which would enable the grandparents to have the kids again if there is no school, except the no mixing rule of course.

Right now we have no choice but to get behind the initiatives and hope the collective actions of those following rules outweighs the actions of those who are not, but once the dust settles and we can see the damage of some of this dithering and lack of clarity, I'd say the results and impact will be near criminal.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

Nothing Hancock didn't say 2 weeks ago pretty much, just the media stirring a particular headline out that panics people who didn't pick up on it first time around.

 

[Healdplace]

Wales data first up.

This has a lot of New Year catch up so in effect not as bad as it looks. Though it IS bad.

4011 cases (last Sunday it was 4142 with Christmas catch up added)

For context the two Sundays pre Christmas it was about half this on both occasions. 2334 and 2262.

And 56 deaths (last Sunday it was 70). Deaths the Sunday before Christmas were 69.

The 4011 cases come from 35.7 K tests. At 11.2% positive.

 

[CTID Chris]

6 year olds school just emailed to say they will be closed until at least Wednesday.

Will spend my Sunday afternoon cancelling on my customers for this week.

 

[MaineDAWG2008]

has anyone heard of the drug ivermectin, studies online show its proven to fight SARS and COVID 19

 

[Deleted member 77198]

This is my biggest concern over schools being open. It contradicts government advice.

Secondary school age children cannot go into a shop without a mask but do not have to wear one in school.

You must keep a 1+ meter distance at all times but students can share a desk and sit 30cm apart.

No household mixing in tier 4 but year groups with cohorts of 300 students are all allowed to freely mix at break and lunchtimes. With no social distancing.

I personally think that, after a short 3 week lockdown, schools can and should reopen. But on the premise that schools must follow the same guidelines as wider society as much as possible. That would mean making drastic changes from the current provision.

I’ve been saying this since September about schools, household mixing and masks.

Students are sitting in rooms with 30 other kids from 30 other households (who may have siblings in other year groups or other schools, doing the same with another 30 different kids from another 30 households each) for 25 hours a week with no masks on.

And teachers are expected to stand in rooms with around 150 different pupils over a week (say a teacher teaches five groups of 30 on their timetables) multipke times a week in a room with none of them wearing masks.

It’s fucking mental behaviour! They should be wearing masks in classrooms not just on corridors. Not wearing masks increases the chances of spreading it, and it’s happening in every single school in the country.

 

[ayrshire_blue]

For anyone interested, this guy may be worth a follow on twitter. He's reporting the data from Israel with modelling predictions, based on their vaccine roll out being the highest per capita in the world.

In many ways Israel will be a benchmark and I suspect a lot of the world is watching what happens there with a close eye. He expects their peak to be over the next couple of weeks then (hopefully) the vaccination programme will start to bear fruit, but carefully states there are a lot of unknowns especially with the new variant.

 

[kaz7]

"Genuinely scary" rise in test positivity. From the FT.



Lockdown now.

Nah, there is football to be played