Coronavirus (2021) thread

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Continuing on the "things aren't as bad as reported" theme - lot's of press this morning about the Imperial REACT study showing the lockdown isn't working, and cases are rising rather than falling.

Here's the report:

The study is of randomly sampled people in the population who are tested by PCR. They take a sample over a couple of weeks every so often.

I'd* just like to say that the headlines are absolute and utter cock, and even the study report itself is pretty disappointing from a highly reputable institution.

So, are cases are going up rather than down?

Here's the relevant graph - the red line fitted through the January datapoints is the claimed upward trend.

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This is bollocks, frankly. The uncertainty on that is such, as you can see from the shaded red area, that the data is also compatible with the falling trend as we see on the daily case data (you'd expect the case data to lag by a few days from the REACT data). Several of the datapoints are outside the confidence interval plotted.

Next up, they also fit the epidemic *between* these sampling intervals into a continuous profile of infected numbers. Relevant graph:
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If you believe that fit, you need your head examined, frankly. They have a massive upswing right at the end essentially entirely predicated on the single last day of data. The data is useful and interesting in itself, but the attempts to draw strong conclusions from the trend over the past few days are futile and misleading IMO.

Finally, some views from someone better qualified than me. Those who don't like Twitter can ignore!



I think the most pessimistic possible interpretation of this data is that it's too noisy to draw any clear conclusion on trends since lockdown.

*At this point I should of course acknowledge that they're obviously far more qualified than I am, and you should take my opinions with due scepticism as a result.
 
Well you are wrong there, I have zero interest in clicking on and reading any Twitter post whatsoever, however that doesn’t stop me being an avid reader of this thread, it’s the most useful there is currently for me.

Why? Its not like this guy is just some random bod he's posting. public health scientist who's a senior fellow in the Federation of American Scientists and 16 years as a faculty member at Harvard medical, its not some random knobber.

 
I’d also add people should ignore the current MSM headlines about the lockdown not working. The data they are all reporting from has the
Dates of survey being 8-15th January.

Prevalence takes longer to fall than incidence as people test positive with a PCR for a period of time.

So ignore anything you read in the papers saying it’s stop falling or lockdown isn’t working etc.
I agree that infections have probably reduced a bit in recent days but are you qualified to dismiss the findings of a Director of Research at Imperial College. Yes, infections might have reduced slightly in recent days but the REACT survey also picks up people who are developing systems and are asymptomatic.

FWIW, I think the restrictions have stopped the situation deteriorating further but we need to see improvements to eg support health services for non Covid patients.
 
I’d also add people should ignore the current MSM headlines about the lockdown not working. The data they are all reporting from has the
Dates of survey being 8-15th January.

Prevalence takes longer to fall than incidence as people test positive with a PCR for a period of time.

So ignore anything you read in the papers saying it’s stop falling or lockdown isn’t working etc.

It's strange they are reporting this
 
Why? Its not like this guy is just some random bod he's posting. public health scientist who's a senior fellow in the Federation of American Scientists and 16 years as a faculty member at Harvard medical, its not some random knobber.

I didn’t say it was a random knobber, I just wait for someone on here to decipher it and post the main elements. I don’t do social media, as I’m sure plenty on here don’t either.
 
seriously you need to stop - you just find the most negative article extract you can find and post it.

Sorry, best to stick with flowers and picnics to stay in tune with the lovely topic of Coronavirus.

Seriously - can I recommend that you do not switch on the news round about 5pm today - they're sure to announce that some people in the UK have died - you might not want to hear it. There's also a separate thread for positive news only on this subject which might be of interest to you.

As for the timing of the post, it was published at 1am, its from a reputable source and links to the centre for disease control. Rather than looking for only positive news or only negative news, I just find it better to live in the real world and look for news in general.
 
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