Coronavirus (2021) thread

[lancs blue]

Well in my opinion it was misleading and unnecessary at 1.05 in the morning.

Why does the time matter??

 

[BlueHammer85]

Well in my opinion it was misleading and unnecessary at 1.05 in the morning.

Yes , but you get offended if someone says Boris’s hair looks bad :)

 

[Chippy_boy]

I find it staggering that the government is so completely inept at understanding the inevitable delayed consequences of its actions and inactions.

3 weeks ago, looking at the 981 deaths reported that day, I wrote this:

"Grim indeed when you consider that the 981 deaths are of people who got infected 3 or 4 weeks ago when the infection rate was a third of what it is now.

On that basis, daily deaths of a couple of thousand in 3 or 4 weeks time, looks pretty much inevitable at this point."

And here we are with 1,800 deaths being reported yesterday. I means it's so bloody obvious and yet 1 year on and it's like the government has learned nothing.

And I am not for one moment buying the "we're following the science" bullshit excuse. The science says shut everything down, full stop. Allowing anything more than that is a POLITICAL decision, not a scientific one.

 

[Ric]

twitter should be banned from blue moon, it is despicable.

That’s a bizarre view.

 

[grunge]

twitter should be banned from blue moon, it is despicable.

Very strange view. Might as well be saying Bluemoon should be banned too because some of the posters talk bollocks.

like anything its only as good as the people who post. if you follow reputable sources then its great. if you decend into the "comments section" then it turns into a sesspool

 

[Nellies left peg]

That’s a bizarre view.

The downturn in society 's morals and behaviour is mainly down to thinks like twitter and other media sites in my opinion. Not on any of them.

 

[Goaters]

Firstly, the conclusions being drawn from this study is that the 502.V2 variant would render these vaccines ineffective. This is highly unlikely. It will take a large amount of genetic diversity to completely render the current vaccines useless. Why? Vaccines are polyclonal.

This study didn’t even look at the vaccines. They studied OLD blood sera from NATURAL infection. Therefore they already contained low antibody levels. Why is this an issue? Because everyone knows antibodies from natural infection with COVID are weak and wane in 2-3 months.


Please take note of where the study says that over half of the samples did neutralize due to the fact they had a more robust immune response. Hello? This is what vaccines do? Antibody counts would be sent high? Not to mention the study TOTALLY disregarded B-cells and T-cells.

How are you going to disregard our actual immune systems and their ability to make antibodies for later? Which may I remind you are DRIVEN by vaccines. They teach our bodies to make antibodies for later, not just during active infection (memory T-cells anyone). That’s immunity!

T-cells stimulate B-cells to make antibodies. Antibodies are just your first line of defense which is what is initiated when you get this vaccine. It’s our T-cells that are responsible for long-term immunity. When antibodies diminish after your initial inoculation, your T-cells-will tell your B-cells it’s time to produce more antibodies. As long as your T-cells still recognize this virus and inform your B-cells they need to produce antibodies, the vaccine is still doing its job. Antibodies being built up over and over again is nothing new or unique to this vaccine, this is how vaccines have always worked. This study does not account for this information concerning T-cell immunity AT ALL.

 

[abu13]

And more importantly, don’t just throw a twitter quote in without any explanation of its context.

Donald Trump likes this post :)

 

[Tim of the Oak]

I think the issue with workplaces is perhaps a lot to do with people not doing the right thing when they do get symptoms, be it going to get a test or going on the sick but not informing their employer as to what’s wrong with them. The latter is what has happened at our place. Some **** was off sick last week but never told us what his symptoms were. We only found out on Sunday night that it was Covid, 6 days after he’d gone off sick. If he’d told us the previous Monday what his symptoms were then we could’ve all taken steps to mitigate the damage - instead, it’s ripped through the workplace and we’ve virtually all got it except my boss (but he already caught it last March) and another guy who was off at the back end of last week so probably dodged a bullet.
A mate of mine works in a prison. He said prisoners don’t always say if they have symptoms because they don’t want to isolate. Worse than that, he said some of the staff have felt unwell but don’t want to go off work or be tested because they’re on double time. 33 out of 70 staff there have had it since Christmas and 3 are now in hospital.
Another mate said 23 out of a workforce of 250 at his place have gone down with it despite the employer doing the right thing. Loads of workers were jumping on each other’s computers, and not socially distancing, etc.
We can take all the precautions in the world but with pricks like these around, what chance have we got?

I agree mate. Greater adherence to the current rules would probably make the biggest difference to get us through the worst if this wave until the population is vaccinated.

Hopefully, the number of cases are now falling but it’s unlikely (IMHO) that the official Covid case figures adequately reflect the prevalence of Covid in the working population, especially when 40% to 50% of infected people are asymptomatic or have very mild systems where the person doesn’t realise they need to be tested. That is exacerbated when people who know they have Covid don’t let work colleagues or friends know about it.

I am confident that we will get out of this through vaccination and we will be in a far better place after Easter, but we will be looking at a lot more damage in the meantime if a significant minority ignore the rules or they aren’t straight with contacts at work and elsewhere.

 

[Goaters]

I’d also add people should ignore the current MSM headlines about the lockdown not working. The data they are all reporting from has the
Dates of survey being 8-15th January.

Prevalence takes longer to fall than incidence as people test positive with a PCR for a period of time.

So ignore anything you read in the papers saying it’s stop falling or lockdown isn’t working etc.