Coronavirus (2021) thread

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salfordbluetrue said:
So how many died after taking the drug? healthy people should steer well away from taking drugs that the body will eventually if not already be immune,
The figures we need to know are how many people died in each age group, how many died from COVID alone and which primary/secondary ailments are more susceptible.
The probability that everyone has already had COVID twice is quite high, but the Chemical companies have invested and the Govenment sees the Vaccine as a money making scheme.
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Which government? Every single one in the world secretly operating together, or just ours? And if you could elaborate on how free-to-the-patient vaccines make more money for a government than the entire economy (which they've closed), that would be good too.
 
Yes, Ayrshire, I agree things need watching carefully.

Scotland has often been the first place to signal changes that will soon be reflected UK wide.

And last night GM had its most significant rise of 2021 and its numbers went backwards for almost everywhere.

It might be a one off blip but what we have seen in Scotland suggests not.

The NW hospital data has slowed its fall too and whilst still going down looks at a bit of a tipping point.

The next week or so will tell us a lot as to whether we really should temper our optimism of the past few weeks.

Opening up was always going to be risk heavy. It is now about how far we are willing to push this and the hospital data not the case numbers per se will probably be the key to what happens next.
 
hammocity said:
The statistics from Covid tests and antibody trials suggest you are incorrect, these are not random small samples, they are in-depth and will be pretty much conclusive.
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Well thank you for an informative reply better than most, the statistics for COVID injection are 15% rejection, 6 months life span, not sure what the % of white males that develop an immunity is, but the figures we need are as i said. weeks after the start of vaccination millions vaccinated and still people die, If the vaccine does not stop the death rate what is it for, and before you quote the drop in figures just look at August
 
twosips said:
Yeah of course. My dad's had his Pfizer one 2 and a half weeks ago and is totally fine. They've just not told him as it's not worth the hassle. Thing is, my brother wasn't even anti-vax until this. He happily had a tetanus shot when we went to Dominican republic with our parents 15 years ago for example. He's just anti-anything the government pushes. He likes to find someone or something to blame. Same with most of these kind of people. I know for a fact he'll shrug and move onto something new when its all over.
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As will most of them except the full-time conspiracy theorists. I hope your mum still gets her jab and your brother sees sense. Personally, I'm going to be evaluating a few friendships due to their incessant Covid denial when all this is over and if they can't admit that they were talking bollocks and I decide to cut them out of my life, so be it. That might sound harsh to some but these aren't people spreading conspiracies that are harmless - they're peddling lies and misinformation that are dangerous to themselves and others, not to mention downright offensive to the many people who have suffered or lost loved ones due to Covid. I'm not talking every single person who falls for a Facebook meme every now and then - more the energetic ones who keep insisting they're right and we're wrong.
 
The ONS data just released has shown that Scotland is one area where the rate of Covid prevalence has increased week to week. Gone from 1 in 335 to 1 in 320 in past 7 days.

Northern Ireland also has not reduced (slightly up from 1 in 325 to 1 in 310)

Both up but in margins of error probably more a levelling off.

But the reverse is true for England and Wales.

Wales moves from 1 in 285 to 1 in 365 So now easily the least infected part of the UK born out by its constantly dropping Pop Score. Down today at just 41 - well below even Trafford in GM, which rose like everywhere in GM did yesterday to 69 - and could actually be up week to week if GM does not have a better day today.

England moves from 1 in 220 to 1 in 270.

This data as usual is a week old so predates the impact of the school return in England.

And as you can see despite the fall England has much the highest prevalence of the four nations.

We might see a different picture next Friday.
 
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Didsbury Dave said:
Which government? Every single one in the world secretly operating together, or just ours? And if you could elaborate on how free-to-the-patient vaccines make more money for a government than the entire economy (which they've closed), that would be good too.
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I know you know economics far better than this, but if you say so why are we not all getting the single shot vaccine? and do not tell me it has only just come out.
 
The latest R rate also announced is 0.6 - 0.8 for all areas of England.

Other than South West (the best) where it is 0.5 - 0.8 (and falling more) and NE & Yorkshire (the worst) where it is 0.7 - 0.9 (and falling the least).
 
Didsbury Dave said:
Which government? Every single one in the world secretly operating together, or just ours? And if you could elaborate on how free-to-the-patient vaccines make more money for a government than the entire economy (which they've closed), that would be good too.
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That's something these twats can never ever answer. If you're lucky, you might get a garbled response about tyranny, ushering in a New World Order, the Great Reset, the World Economic Forum and Agenda 2030, taking all our money and possessions away to benefit about 2 dozen shadowy people worldwide, of which Prince Charles is one beneficiary and the Rothschilds are another (because most good conspiracy theories wouldn't be complete without those pesky Jews being involved)
 
Manchester33 said:
There are many counter-arguments that can be made to your post. For example:

1 - You're suggesting the vaccine poses a risk to healthy individuals who are at very low risk of dying from COVID, we would also have to compare the health of people dying after the vaccination - is it only killing the incredibly vulnerable? If that's the case then someone like myself as a healthy individual has little to fear? This would essentially make your point redundant.

2 - The probability that 'everyone has already had COVID twice' is close to 0. There's no evidence to support this, and even if we'd all had it twice (which we haven't) then there's clearly an issue with subsequent contaminations that hopefully a vaccine can help us avoid.

3 - The vaccine rollout is literally costing our Government billions. We're also haemorrhaging money whilst the country stays in lockdown. There is no financial incentive, other than the re-start of the economy. Also, the majority of 'the chemical companies' investment was paid for by the UK government (in AstraZeneca's case anyway).

I think it's good for people to be sceptical and to question things. But at least base your arguments on solid facts rather than trying to spread fake news.
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Thanks for a good reply No 1 your talking double dutch, No 2 the probability that everyone has had COVID twice is 0, but the probability of a huge % having had it twice is a 100%, No 3 just how many times are you and everybody else in the world going to take this drug that last 6 months when COVID has lasted a year so far,
 
ayrshire_blue said:
It just seems to me @Healdplace that there was a plateau in decline a few weeks ago but then things began to decrease again, this time round it seems to have skipped the plateau stage and gone straight for growth. Not too big on the % positive side yet which is perhaps the one silver lining. As you say, I really hope this doesn't transfer into hospitals and ICU but even though they are still on the decline this will be reflective of the cases declining up until recently. I'd have liked to have seen us at a much lower base level before cases (inevitably) would go up when schools returned and restrictions eased.
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Do they have the same testing regime in Scottish schools?
 
worsleyweb said:
One academy school? and
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I'm not sure what people are expecting to be honest. They are testing every secondary school pupil and locking down any classes with positive tests. The fact that there have been so few of these instances, and they are actually finding the one in however many million pupils that may have the virus is massively encouraging.
 
Didsbury Dave said:
Which government? Every single one in the world secretly operating together, or just ours? And if you could elaborate on how free-to-the-patient vaccines make more money for a government than the entire economy (which they've closed), that would be good too.
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I can't wait until this eventually passed now that every government is able to work together so closely and not have one whistleblower worldwide. To think we were worried about the logistics or exporting cheese to the EU a few months ago because we couldn't agree on anything with them.
 
England hospital deaths 132 with 20 from NW - versus 174 and 40 last week.

Another lot of back dating. Some cases from March and April last year.

And 20 more than a month old again.
 
132 England hospital deaths by region:

32 Midlands, 25 East, 25 NW & Yorkshire, 20 North West, 13 London, 11 South East, 6 South West~

11 Norfolk. 8 Leeds the most 5 in Liverpool most in NW.

By age:

40 - 59 (13) 9.9%

60 -79 (54) 40,9%

80 PLUS (65) 49.2%
 
True_Blue69 said:
I can't wait until this eventually passed now that every government is able to work together so closely and not have one whistleblower worldwide. To think we were worried about the logistics or exporting cheese to the EU a few months ago because we couldn't agree on anything with them.
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I know. Humanity is saved. World peace is imminent. I always knew that humankind could collaborate and it took a virus to prove it. It can't have been easy getting the likes of North Korea, Uraguay, Russia and the USA to work together so someone has pulled a blinder. Maybe it was Marcus Rashford.
 
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