Coronavirus (2021) thread

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The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
Given the huge relevance of age and pre-existing medical conditions, I think the best strategy might well be offering the vaccine to all the worlds ‘vulnerable’ and not bothering with the under 50’s. Effectively the U.K. would be less than 2 months away from fully vaccinating that group and Europe and the rest could quite easily catch up. Cant see any point whatsoever in vaccinating young healthy people against a disease which poses such a tiny relative risk and using the threat of a vaccine passport is shamefully coercive.
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Unvaccinated young ppl could be the vessel in which a dangerous variant incubates.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
same for us, London office wants us slowly back from 20th next month and go back to pre Covid attendance

It's causing quite a divide in the work place
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Been away from our Manchester city centre office for over a year now. Under no pressure to return...we can work remotely apart from site visits which are out. Now, as a big Architects practice we will come under some pressure to re occupy the office space...as some of our bigger projects are office buildings...and clients will need some reassurance that they will be able to let the finished builds..I won't be pitching up anyday soon...maybe one day a week when the pubs open up...
 
Healdplace said:
England hospital deaths yet more great news

Just 31 with 8 from North West (always high here with the weekend catch up after under reporting)

Last week was 69 - also with 8 from NW - so NW today is double last week at nearly a quarter and the highest region. But 8 is 8 even so. And % gets magnified at these low numbers.

Wednesday was always the second highest day of the week and we had over 1000 in January. Long way down from there.

Oh and only 29 in the last month and 1 of 31 came from a year ago - 3 April 2020!
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Good news indeed. Prediction - when the final figures are in later, I reckon it will push the 7 day rolling average of UK deaths down below 50 per day. It was 55 and a bit yesterday (386 UK deaths over the most recent 7 day period)

Is there any reason why they're adding deaths from as far back as April last year? Is it just the odd one that crops up here and there because they've been missed earlier?
 
31 England hospital deaths by region:

8 North West, 7 NE & Yorkshire, 7 London, 3 Midlands, South East and East - 0 South West

Most in one place 3 in Kingston on Thames and 3 in Hull

In NW :- 2 each in Manchester, Tameside and Liverpool
 
roubaixtuesday said:
It's fascinating that you both believe this *and* openly state you have no evidence for it!

(The idea that German drug safety evaluation is biased to favour more expensive treatments is really, really hard to find any rational motivation for)
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Do the German gov get a royalty for Pfizer? They paid for part of the development.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
Clearly false.

The flu jab is typically 50% effective or some years less. The flu jab is not universally administered. You cannot explain a tenfold difference in fatality through flu vaccinating.

www.gov.uk

Flu vaccine effectiveness in 2017 to 2018 season

Public Health England has published flu vaccine effectiveness data for the 2017 to 2018 season.
www.gov.uk www.gov.uk




Well, if that's your point, why didn't you say so!

The differences are:

1. COVID is sufficiently transmissible that unless we vaccinate most people, it is likely we will get a further significant wave of disease.

2. The number of unvaccinated, plus those who vaccinating does not protect are such that wave would likely be of similar size to those just passed.

3. Everyone is at risk from COVID; long COVID symptoms are real and severe.

4. The flu vaccine is nowhere near as effective as the COVID vaccines are.
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The Flu jab is given to all those at risk to build the immunity the Covid jab was not given, of course it can explain a 10x
No 1 that is an opinion, any wave would still see risk covered
No 2 is also an opinion with a probability of reduced immunity,
no 3 everyone is also at risk of long term symptoms from the Covid jab
no 4 we will see, as yet we do not know if Covid is permanent
 
Northern Ireland data:

0 deaths - was 0 last week

123 cases - was 139 last week

5.7% positivity - was 7.5% last week

5 Care Home outbreaks - same as yesterday - was 9 last week

Rolling 7 day case total 977 - was 998 yesterday and 1014 last week

118 patients - was 131 yesterday and 154 last week

9 Ventilated (first UK nation in single figures for 5 months) - was 12 yesterday & 12 last week.


Really great hospital numbers here especially. To add to those from the other nations. Fingers crossed for Enghland later.
 
KS55 said:
Do the German gov get a royalty for Pfizer?
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I've never seen that suggested, and it seems very unlikely.

Even if it were true, it's hard to see that it would provide a financial incentive for falsifying safety concerns, given that the German govt is paying through the nose for Pfizer jabs, and AZ are far cheaper - they'd still end up net out of pocket.

The whole "AZ safety concerns are a conspiracy by big pharma against cheap vaccines" just doesn't hold water for me.

The far simpler "they've had reports of reactions and are taking a conservative approach whilst investigating" fits all the evidence.
 
blueparrot said:
The government haven't. Some countries, airlines businesses however may decide to, so as this will happen who will issue the passport and as they may be needed shouldn't everyone be offered the vaccine.
Especially as some with none of the 'at risk' conditions have and will die without the vaccine.they shoulld at the very least be offered it.
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The BBC first sounded out Covid passports even before the jab came out, when a report came out that 40% of health workers would not have the jab, Government ministers repeated it last week.
 
So the total deaths for the UK with England out of hospital to come is 38. Lowest in months on a traditional high day not a weekend number.

wk to wk: 622 v 364 v 255 v 179 v 97 v 75 v 38

Do not need to describe how good that fall has been.
 
Thanks for posting the number again, helps me digest it. Very encouraging trends, then I see the crowds this week and my heart sinks.

BBC News - Covid: 'Don't blow it' says health secretary as thousands gather in sunshine
www.bbc.co.uk

Covid: 'Don't blow it' says health secretary as thousands gather in sunshine

Two parks close as people gather in open spaces in England to enjoy March's hottest day in 50 years.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

If anything can risk us getting some freedom back it's gathering like this or a catastrophic issue with vaccines.

That said, these gatherings will be a real acid test of whether the UK can cope until Autumn. If we don't see pockets of case rises following then it may suggest that our testing systems combined with vaccine and immunity are sufficient, at least over summer, to keep this thing mostly contained. But autumn may come as a great shock depending on how the virus mutates.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
You can't do maths.

If the flu vaccine is tops 50% effective, it cannot possibly explain more than 2x difference in fatality.
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And if that was right then with 11,000 deaths only 22,000 would have got the jab? when it was more like the 1,75 million that were at risk and got the Covid jab?.
 
salfordbluetrue said:
And if that was right then with 11,000 deaths only 22,000 would have got the jab? when it was more like the 1,75 million that were at risk and got the Covid jab?.
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Very odd post.

If a jab is 50% effective, and everyone took it, and 11,000 died, then 22,000 would have died without it.

I have zero idea what your 1.75 million is on about.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
I've never seen that suggested, and it seems very unlikely.

Even if it were true, it's hard to see that it would provide a financial incentive for falsifying safety concerns, given that the German govt is paying through the nose for Pfizer jabs, and AZ are far cheaper - they'd still end up net out of pocket.

The whole "AZ safety concerns are a conspiracy by big pharma against cheap vaccines" just doesn't hold water for me.

The far simpler "they've had reports of reactions and are taking a conservative approach whilst investigating" fits all the evidence.
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Yes, i tend to agree, but I remember Frau Merkel being insistent about the fact that German gov paid for research and, therefore, were inclined to choose that vaccine. Just seemed a little odd to me.
 
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