Coronavirus (2021) thread

[bluetonium]

Sorry to quote the Daily Shitbox but these people are unbelievable.

Maskless crowd 'chant 'Covid is a hoax'' outside St Thomas's Hospital

Dr Matthew Lee was 'disgusted' after a crowd gathered outside the London hospital - where tireless doctors battled to save Boris Johnson's life after he contracted Covid earlier this year.

mol.im

It's shocking. If it didn't impact on the ability to save lives I'd welcome these people to shadow a doctor or nurse on a shift in the covid ward. They'd come out shaking and, frankly, broken.

I watched this video below yesterday and it dissuaded me from even going out to the local shop for a loaf of bread. I can last another day or two without toast and make one less trip. Then you read about pubs still serving in Marple Bridge and 30 people brawls in the city centre and have to hope that doing your little bit, even if it is just not popping to the corner shop, has any effect overall.

I can't fathom how anyone could listen to this medical professional and ignore his words.

BBC News - Covid rule-breakers 'have blood on their hands'

Covid rule-breakers 'have blood on their hands'

An intensive care doctor tells BBC Radio 5 Live the rise in cases is down to people not social distancing.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[bluemoon32]

France: More than 2,500 break virus restrictions at illegal rave

The New Year's Eve event, held in a warehouse in a village in Brittany, was shut down on Saturday.

www.bbc.co.uk

Every country has their idiots.

Very surprised the French police haven't just gone in there and kicked the shit out of them, very unlike them

 

[inchy14]

it hits home when you know someone who has died, i knew a 50 year old woman went in Blackpool vic for a simple procedure and caught it in there, 8 weeks in ICU vented and died

Every story I’ve heard seems to be off people catching it in hospitals.... glad I’ve not been in one!!
And I only know of one person who I actually ever come into contact with, and they had it in March. Don’t know anyone else.

 

[Cityfan]

I'm no expert, but some people are questioning whether having one dose of the Pfizer vaccine and then a dose of the AZ vaccine some time after is effective, and it sounds like there's not been much, if any, research on this. They have every reason to voice their concern.

This is not what is being proposed , people will get two doses of the same vaccine , it is the time interval that has changed.

The evidence the MHRA have suggests that it increases the effectiveness for the Oxford vaccine.

There is no particular reason why the Pfizer vaccine should be ineffective after a second dose at twelve weeks but it has not been studied so they are taking a chance on this.

I was wrong in my understanding orf the situation or at least partially wrong. Although there is not a proposal to give the Pfizer dose and then the AZ dose as a standard of care it is permissable in the Green Book in vaccination and recommended if the original vaccine is not available at the time of second vaccination.

 

[Marvin]

Russian epidemic seems to have turned with the onset of vaccination but is it correlation or cause? They don't have a variant to deal with.

I read this morning that India has built up 50 million doses of the Astrazeneca vaccine pending approval. Obviously they have a much bigger population than we do but it made me think about all this talk about producing and manufacturing vaccine at risk. I don't see much evidence that the pharmaceutical companies actually did this. The papers report that Astrazeneca have 4m doses which can be supplied to the UK once they have been checked and thereafter they can produce 2m a week. if they can do that then fine. We can vaccinate our way out if this in a matter of weeks, but it doesn't look like a stockpiling ever happened - and we were led to believe that they were doing that.

 

[ayrshire_blue]

I was wrong in my understanding orf the situation or at least partially wrong. Although there is not a proposal to give the Pfizer dose and then the AZ dose as a standard of care it is permissable in the Green Book in vaccination and recommended if the original vaccine is not available at the time of second vaccination.

This sounds dangerous?

 

[MillionMilesAway]

This sounds dangerous?

Not really dangerous, I'd say, but suboptimal as the two vaccines work very differently. It's more a case of "The best we have" option.

 

[come-on-barney]

As we have all heard on the news it’s spreading like wildfire in East London, a lot of family and friends now have it. Daughter works in a school that is where she got it. Luckily, she didn’t have it that bad, but other family members and her friends have it, including their children. Seems more younger children getting symptoms with this variant. Most of the people out there I know are pretty sensible when it comes to social distancing and masks etc. A lot of them don’t understand how they caught it. At least due to pressure of schools and local MP’s they are not opening schools next week. They really need to get on top of it with hospitals there unable to cope.

 

[Marvin]

To add to the count I have Covid along with 2 other members of the household. We have followed all the rules and advice, including not inviting guests for Xmas. This new strain is extremely infectious and each person seems to react differently to it.

Please keep safe and get tested if you have the slightest inclination you may have symptoms. The trouble is the vaccines may not capture mutations of the virus and that is what's scary

That last line is really scary. Worries me too. At the moment we're told it should be OK but no one seems able to confirm this saying that it takes two weeks to confirm and yet we knew about these variants months ago. Not impressive. Seems common sense to me that vaccine developers should be continually monitoring the interaction of the vaccine with variants, and yet work starts two months after they are detected.

 

[Ban-jani]

It's shocking. If it didn't impact on the ability to save lives I'd welcome these people to shadow a doctor or nurse on a shift in the covid ward. They'd come out shaking and, frankly, broken.

I watched this video below yesterday and it dissuaded me from even going out to the local shop for a loaf of bread. I can last another day or two without toast and make one less trip. Then you read about pubs still serving in Marple Bridge and 30 people brawls in the city centre and have to hope that doing your little bit, even if it is just not popping to the corner shop, has any effect overall.

I can't fathom how anyone could listen to this medical professional and ignore his words.

BBC News - Covid rule-breakers 'have blood on their hands'

Covid rule-breakers 'have blood on their hands'

An intensive care doctor tells BBC Radio 5 Live the rise in cases is down to people not social distancing.

www.bbc.co.uk

I drove through Marple Bridge the other day and saw a queue of people going into a pub.

No idea what was happening and whether they were going out to the beer garden but we were in tier 4 at that time.

It’s utter madness.

 

[Nellies left peg]

I drove through Marple Bridge the other day and saw a queue of people going into a pub.

No idea what was happening and whether they were going out to the beer garden but we were in tier 4 at that time.

It’s utter madness.

It was greater Manchester police Christmas party

 

[Nellies left peg]

doesn't surprise me looking at the lack of mask wearing in local shops near me in recent months, by staff and customers.

The coop is generally used by the elder people in our town who don't have transport to the bigger supermarkets about 4 miles away so they are more vunerable possibly

 

[sky tot]

I drove through Marple Bridge the other day and saw a queue of people going into a pub.

No idea what was happening and whether they were going out to the beer garden but we were in tier 4 at that time.

It’s utter madness.

They weren’t going in the pub , they have a hatch window where they serve takeaway sandwiches & beverages .Its on the street and problem is people hang about eating there butties .

 

[Cityfan]

This sounds dangerous?

Not really dangerous, I'd say, but suboptimal as the two vaccines work very differently. It's more a case of "The best we have" option.

I'm certainly not a vaccine expert and don't know.
But my inclination is to agree with the second statement. I very much doubt it is dangerous the people who make the recommendations are experts and know their stuff. I would very much doubt there is any danger but it has not been studied and the efficacy is probably less certain.

 

[Marvin]

As we have all heard on the news it’s spreading like wildfire in East London, a lot of family and friends now have it. Daughter works in a school that is where she got it. Luckily, she didn’t have it that bad, but other family members and her friends have it, including their children. Seems more younger children getting symptoms with this variant. Most of the people out there I know are pretty sensible when it comes to social distancing and masks etc. A lot of them don’t understand how they caught it. At least due to pressure of schools and local MP’s they are not opening schools next week. They really need to get on top of it with hospitals there unable to cope.

We've already changed our vaccine strategy. I think once the infrastructure is up and running we should target viral clusters particularly the variant clusters. Generally quarantine and testing is targeted so why not the vaccine?

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Middle son tested positive, after alert from NHS app to test, we presume from his work. Symptomless.

Whole family now apprehensively in self isolation.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

And, from epidemiology prof, litany of failure that brought us here

 

[Ban-jani]

They weren’t going in the pub , they have a hatch window where they serve takeaway sandwiches & beverages .Its on the street and problem is people hang about eating there butties .

They genuinely looked like they were going through the front door.

I would be willing to put a large sum of money on that being the case.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Thread explaining how we can't possibly outrun the epidemic through vaccination alone.

We urgently need a lockdown now.

Otherwise, this is going to run through the population ahead of vaccination.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

I'm certainly not a vaccine expert and don't know.
But my inclination is to agree with the second statement. I very much doubt it is dangerous the people who make the recommendations are experts and know their stuff. I would very much doubt there is any danger but it has not been studied and the efficacy is probably less certain.

Both work on a similar scientific basis (this is biotech for beginners level and hopefully conveys the idea while not being entirely accurate), but by different means.

It seems reasonable to believe that teaching the body to make the antibody by one approach and then giving it a refresher course on what it's doing is better than teaching it a second approach.