Coronavirus (2021) thread

[roubaixtuesday]

To be fair they come from businesses not individual countries

Sure, but those countries can slap on an emergency export ban if they want.

I'm not saying that they would be right to, just that there is an absolute imperative to cooperate here. Both ethically and pragmatically.

 

[Ban-jani]

1. The EU has said, and done nothing. This is from Germany.

2. It's complicated. See various comments above about how to judge over 65s efficacy. If the EMA don't approve in over 65s they're doing nothing different ton the US.

3. Even if you think the EU are the devil incarnate, it matters not. We still have to get along with them. In this, and everything else. If we fight, we both lose.

I am fairly sure he’s not a Brexit supporter.

 

[squirtyflower]

1. The EU has said, and done nothing. This is from Germany.

2. It's complicated. See various comments above about how to judge over 65s efficacy. If the EMA don't approve in over 65s they're doing nothing different ton the US.

3. Even if you think the EU are the devil incarnate, it matters not. We still have to get along with them. In this, and everything else. If we fight, we both lose.

But it doesn’t seem as though we are fighting?
We seem to have bought and paid for a vaccine that someone is now threatening to withhold even though they might not want it themselves. Surely that seems a tad unfair.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

I am fairly sure he’s not a Brexit supporter.

He?

 

[domalino]

1. The EU has said, and done nothing. This is from Germany.

2. It's complicated. See various comments above about how to judge over 65s efficacy. If the EMA don't approve in over 65s they're doing nothing different ton the US.

3. Even if you think the EU are the devil incarnate, it matters not. We still have to get along with them. In this, and everything else. If we fight, we both lose.

You keep talking about "us" fighting, when the UK has done nothing and will do nothing. We are going to get our vaccine before them because we ordered first, we funded the development and we approved it first. All of those were huge risks, and there is a payoff. It's an agreement between the UK and a private company.

Germany has acted in bad faith from the beginning, or have you already forgotten their side deal with Pfizer that directly contradicted the EU joint agreement for procurement that prohibited such side deals?

In an ideal world I hope everyone gets along over the vaccine, but unfortunately one country is acting in bad faith and no one is going to let British people die by giving vaccines already bought by this country go to the EU to appease Germany.

 

[Del_Bosque]

Some serious fingers have to be pointed at Sturgeon if Pfizer can’t get us the vaccine now

 

[roubaixtuesday]

But it doesn’t seem as though we are fighting?
We seem to have bought and paid for a vaccine that someone is now threatening to withhold even though they might not want it themselves. Surely that seems a tad unfair.

I would hazard a guess that the EU also feel they've been promised it. But like I said, I don't know the ins and outs of it all.

 

[squirtyflower]

Sure, but those countries can slap on an emergency export ban if they want.

I'm not saying that they would be right to, just that there is an absolute imperative to cooperate here. Both ethically and pragmatically.

What do you think the UK needs to do differently to ‘co-operate’?

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Germany has acted in bad faith from the beginning,

An attitude which will get us nowhere. Even, perhaps especially, if it's true.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Lets bomb Germany.