Coronavirus (2021) thread

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410 England deaths by region:


110 Midlands, 83 South East, 55 London, 49 North West. 48 NE & Yorkshire, 41 East. 24 South West.

3 wks v 2 wks v last wk v today

631 / 42 NW / 7%

623 / 61 NW / 10%

563 / 82 NW / 15%

410 / 49 NW / 12% Today
 
SB Blue said:
Is that the Oxford vaccine? Would make sense as that doesn’t have the same shelf life limitations as the Pfizer one at fridge temperature.
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I know of one chemist in south Manchester that has been giving people left over vaccine at end of the day. Not big numbers, between 10 and 20 and they have tried to ensure it’s given to vulnerable where they can. The chemist contacted a local school and 2 staff got 2 spare doses.
 
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I know of one chemist in south Manchester that has been giving people left over vaccine at end of the day. Not big numbers, between 10 and 20 and they have tried to ensure it’s given to vulnerable where they can. The chemist contacted a local school and 2 staff got 2 spare doses.
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I wonder what will happen when those people are due for their second injection ?
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Remember the outrage when footballers celebrated a win after the game ... meanwhile

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Strange thing is I was watching the Sale game on Friday and they aren’t allowed to celebrate together, touching while celebrating results in a fine!! I think the theory is that unnecessary contact isn’t allowed, not sure if that applies to the six nations as I didn’t watch that.
 
Scotland update:

7 deaths - was 6 last week

584 cases - was 1003 last week

6.9% positivity - was 8.1% last week

1710 patients (down 19) - was 1941 last week

108 ventilator icu - down 9 - was 143 last week

Very good numbers again.

Patient and ventilator numbers have dropped a lot exactly like in England in the past week
 
NeilYoungIsBack said:
I wonder what will happen when those people are due for their second injection ?
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Very good question; maybe they book the people in there and then. Sounds a bit slipshod but it’s 100% happened as I know one person who took up the offer. I’ll ask what they were told bout 2nd jab
 
Healdplace said:
The other important interview today was Dr Sarah Gilbert on Andrew Marr who noted that the evidence is suggesting that the new variants may mean that vaccines will not drive down case numbers as far as some expect - but crucially will still mitigate them from becoming enough to result in serious illness and/or death in all but a small number of cases. Thus not overwhelming the NHS.

The danger is some will see high case numbers as a sign the vaccines do not work and create panic. When the real importance of the vaccines and why imo the Oxford one is such a great thing given its very cheap cost that the world can afford against some of the really expensive 'better' ones is that this is what we need from this vaccine - not what most people seem to think we do. Stopping you catching it. The end.

Stopping you from catching Covid v testing positive barely matters either way if it stops that illness becoming serious Even amongst those prone to complications.

The best vaccine is the one that saves most lives and reduces the most stress on the NHS (hence why I am surprised the media so under report - as in haven't at all - the ONE THIRD fall in NHS patient numbers in hospital with Covid since 18 January.

They focus on deaths 'going up' day to day - as they do in cycles due to the way they are reported so will be low today versus 3 days from now but NOT because they are rising suddenly again.

Yet those deaths are the consequence mostly of events before the vaccine impact and almost entirely from before hospital numbers have -plummeted.

They are the ghost of Christmas past - literally. Whereas the hospital numbers are revealing the ghost of Easter yet to come. And why it will be very different.

We need to apply the same logic to vaccines. High case numbers with mild illness and low serious illness pressurising the NHS is the true goal here. Not to eradicate the virus. So the one that stops you getting it the most is not necessarily the best.

It isn't really the goal and more needs to be done to get that across. So well done to that Professor today for trying.
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That's a good post.
Up till last week I thought the efficacy rate was the be all and end all.
Hence Pfizer 'better' than AZ.
But as you state this is not necessarily the case , the best vaccine is probably the one that reduces serious illness and (obviously) death and they are all stated by the experts to do that, although we don't know which are the best.
However does better efficacy in reducing the number of cases cut down the risk of variants ( don't know)?
A couple of other things I'm not clear on. We are often told that in the trials no deaths or serious illness resulted in the vaccination sample. But what about the placebo group - if there were similarly no deaths or serious illness in that group? How does that enable conclusions to be drawn about the effectiveness of the vaccine?
Final point - still not entirely happy about the AZ trials being restricted to younger people, although we are told not to be concerned.
 
Scotland vaccinations update:



839, 266 first doses - 52, 839 yesterday - new record - was 43. 915 day before

10, 582 second doses - 250 yesterday - was 803 day before


29, 863 care home residents have had a vaccination - 99.5% in older care homes and 93% of a;; residents

40, 295 care home staff have had a vaccination - 90% of staff in all care homes and 77% of all staff

273, 086 front line health care workers have had a vaccination (over 100% of official numbers)

121, 447 people aged 75 - 79 living in the community not care homes have had a vaccination - 64%

72. 734 people aged 70 - 74 living in the community not care homes have had a vaccination - 26%
 
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So total deaths without England out of hospital (usually low on Sunday) is 445 - lowest in many weeks.

Week to week:- 704 v 682 v 622 v 445 today.
 
More after the match.

Though on a day of good news I can frustratingly tell you the North West was the only area to RISE today and is now the most infected area in England with London and South East both at their lowest in many weeks.

NW though has utterly flatlined - every single one of their last 7 totals - despite national numbers up and down by thousands - have been between 2319 and 2866. Today up 136 to 2625.
 
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What prospects for the SA variant in a vaccinated UK? Do we still have to lockdown to prevent its spread? If vaccination eliminates serious illness then why would we do that?

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All settings deaths 373 but total deaths without England 445 ?
Im a bit hungover but it doesn’t make sense to me . Still good news they are coming down
 
sky tot said:
All settings deaths 373 but total deaths without England 445 ?
Im a bit hungover but it doesn’t make sense to me . Still good news they are coming down
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There were a lot of audited older deaths today. As I explained some of that 445 were from April.
 
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