Coronavirus (2021) thread

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splinter said:
Maybe just maybe boris might announce 21st reopening goes ahead tomorrow;)
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Hancock will want it to go on, as will Gove. Hancock because he’s out of a job when it’s over and Gove because he hopes Johnson will be out of a job when it’s over.

As an aside, there’s a video of Hancock walking, outside, along Downing Street with his mask on. The door opens, he walks inside, and the first thing he does on entry, is take the mask off………
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
Hancock will want it to go on, as will Gove. Hancock because he’s out of a job when it’s over and Gove because he hopes Johnson will be out of a job when it’s over.

As an aside, there’s a video of Hancock walking, outside, along Downing Street with his mask on. The door opens, he walks inside, and the first thing he does on entry, is take the mask off………
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Don’t worry they all lose their roles eventually. Hancock losing his will be a very very good day.
 
Healdplace said:
Agreed there are hints of that maybe. Only time will tell.
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With the 20-25% of the population - mainly youth - who have actually had the virus we must be very close to herd immunity and a month of rising cases would take us over the top. It would seem to be the case in some areas of the country.
 
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kevin horlocks wand said:
yep you plebs can have limited numbers at weddings and events meanwhile we can hold a g7 summit. No problemo.
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Makes you wonder why they bother pulling stunts like the above. Royally taking the piss
 
Bluemoon dan said:
Anyone think that there's a chance of a typical government stall tactic with the announcement tomorrow? As in we'll delay the full lifting but only by a couple of weeks rather than the 4 that has been hinted at? See how we are at the end of the month.
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Still saying four on the news. What if cases are still rising in four weeks? Is it the same again?
 
Millwallawayveteran1988 said:
Still saying four on the news. What if cases are still rising in four weeks? Is it the same again?
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If that happens we are in bigger trouble than worrying about tinkering. It will be back to full lockdown.

But the signs are this will not be what happens. Cases will level off if we are cautious. It is starting to look like that may be trending in the NW which is where it would start first as it is where it began to climb first. Other regions will be a few weeks behind.

We will also do more and more vaccinations over the next 4 weeks so that too will drive numbers down.

The most likely way to have problems and result in lockdown until next Spring is for understandably cheesed off people saying forget it I will do what I choose.

The data will always dictate what happens. We have to do our best to get back control as 4 weeks ago we were well on track for full opening up. And 4 weeks from now we could be again.

Or we could be in a mess because fed up people decided not to listen.

We are in the hands of sense or no sense and who wins.
 
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Healdplace said:
If that happens we are in bigger trouble than worrying about tinkering. It will be back to full lockdown.

But the signs are this will not be what happens. Cases will level off if we are cautious. It is starting to look like that may be trending in the NW which is where it would start first as it is where it began to climb first. Other regions will be a few weeks behind.

We will also do more and more vaccinations over the next 4 weeks so that too will drive numbers down.

The most likely way to have problems and result in lockdown until next Spring is for understandably cheesed off people saying forget it I will do what I choose.

The data will always dictate what happens. We have to do our best to get back control as 4 weeks ago we were well on track for full opening up. And 4 weeks from now we could be again.

Or we could be in a mess because fed up people decided not to listen.

We are in the hands of sense or no sense and who wins.
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I can’t see it getting bad enough to go to full lockdown again. Didn’t Boris say as much yesterday. I’ve been to two indoor events with over 100 people in the room in the last couple of weeks and to be honest neither was very Covid secure. I can’t see that changing really. I think cases will go up for a little while yet but hospitalisations and deaths will remain in the “acceptable” range.
 
Hopefully not but the idea of herd immunity depends to a degree on a stable virus that you can only catch once and / or if you do get it twice it will be mitigated by your built up immunity or vaccination. That remains generally where we are.

But the number of new variants that are arriving with teeth and will arrive until we vaccinate the planet - as in not this year or next - have the potential to derail that a bit. Hopefully not but this is such an infectious virus and it is now pretty much everywhere that the odds must be improved something that gets round the vaccines turns up.

We would be able to respond to that but not instantly.

It is not likely this will happen and the most likely scenario is we are indeed on the home straight on the way out. But this virus has surprised us more than once when we let our guard down. And there are strong signs that society is on the edge of doing that because this has gone on far longer than I think most of us expected.

Herd immunity will still bring numbers well down on the basis of what we have now but this virus is proving quite a pig of a thing to deal wth if we are not on guard all the time and that is going to get harder and harder to do - especially as so many livelihoods were banking on opening up for the Summer and losing much of that to more restrictions will dissappoint many people who may just give up trying to comply.

I do not think we will ever see the worst case scenario. I am pretty optmistic we are getting there and our gamble on the vaccine roll out seems to have paid off. But for letting the Delta variant take hold there would be little doubt we would all be celebrating tomorrow with good news but that was a very serious mistake and as a result we are not quite there yet and it is easy to see the guard relaxing in a perfectly understandable manner out of sheer frustration at having victory snatched away at the last moment.

Overcoming that disppointment and to go again is the hardest thing in football and will be the hardest thing to do here too. Let us hope we can make that one last push over the line.
 
Healdplace said:
Hopefully not but the idea of herd immunity depends to a degree on a stable virus that you can only catch once and / or if you do get it twice it will be mitigated by your built up immunity or vaccination. That remains generally where we are.

But the number of new variants that are arriving with teeth and will arrive until we vaccinate the planet - as in not this year or next - have the potential to derail that a bit. Hopefully not but this is such an infectious virus and it is now pretty much everywhere that the odds must be improved something that gets round the vaccines turns up.

We would be able to respond to that but not instantly.

It is not likely this will happen and the most likely scenario is we are indeed on the home straight on the way out. But this virus has surprised us more than once when we let our guard down. And there are strong signs that society is on the edge of doing that because this has gone on far longer than I think most of us expected.

Herd immunity will still bring numbers well down on the basis of what we have now but this virus is proving quite a pig of a thing to deal wth if we are not on guard all the time and that is going to get harder and harder to do - especially as so many livelihoods were banking on opening up for the Summer and losing much of that to more restrictions will dissappoint many people who may just give up trying to comply.

I do not think we will ever see the worst case scenario. I am pretty optmistic we are getting there and our gamble on the vaccine roll out seems to have paid off. But for letting the Delta variant take hold there would be little doubt we would all be celebrating tomorrow with good news but that was a very serious mistake and as a result we are not quite there yet and it is easy to see the guard relaxing in a perfectly understandable manner out of sheer frustration at having victory snatched away at the last moment.

Overcoming that disppointment and to go again is the hardest thing in football and will be the hardest thing to do here too. Let us hope we can make that one last push over the line.
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There has to be more than three or four changes to the RNA for it to beat the vaccone antibodies.
In fact we are now actually nearly at the point where we WANT to be infected by new variants for a mild illness to make us safe about the variant 8 or 9 changes down the line. I.e. we are nearing the the point where Lockdown is NOT a realistic option.
 
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Covid: Lockdown easing in England to be delayed by four weeks

Most current Covid rules will remain for four more weeks after 21 June, government sources say.
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Makes no difference whatsoever to my plans over the next 4 weeks, but gutted for those who’s businesses, weddings, life events etc will suffer. And another summer of no festivals for my kids.
 
artfuldodger said:
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Covid: Lockdown easing in England to be delayed by four weeks

Most current Covid rules will remain for four more weeks after 21 June, government sources say.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

Makes no difference whatsoever to my plans over the next 4 weeks, but gutted for those who’s businesses, weddings, life events etc will suffer. And another summer of no festivals for my kids.
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Another massive own goal by Johnson and co. Lets see if Starmer calls them to account?
 
artfuldodger said:
www.bbc.co.uk

Covid: Lockdown easing in England to be delayed by four weeks

Most current Covid rules will remain for four more weeks after 21 June, government sources say.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

Makes no difference whatsoever to my plans over the next 4 weeks, but gutted for those who’s businesses, weddings, life events etc will suffer. And another summer of no festivals for my kids.
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The amount of guests at weddings could be increased. A Government Minister on breakfast news hinted at that.

Up to £10mil jabs can be given in the extra 4 weeks. People who have had both jabs have a tiny chance of being hospitalised, thereby supporting the range of health services and tackling waiting lists for operations.

I haven’t followed the data much over recent times but there is a case of extending the few remaining info restrictions for another 4 weeks.
Equally, the number of guests at weddings should be increased because it’s virtually pointless when pubs are packed with crowds watching the Euros.
 
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