Coronavirus (2021) thread

[Blue and still suffering]

After today's announcements it feels like someone keeps adding more and more bricks to the tunnel the closer we get to the end. I suppose that there will be and end to this at sometime but can't see that happening till early next year at the earliest. Maybe I will be proved wrong and the immunity effect will kick in earlier than that leaving the virus with less opportunities to move around.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Deaths don’t overwhelm the NHS though.

By disregarding hospitalisations, aren’t you selecting figures to suit your opinion?

Not having enough capacity overwhelms the NHS, which is a decision taken by successive governments and is nothing to do with Covid.

At least the government have been planning on how not to overwhelm the NHS over the 16 months of the pandemic…………

 

[BlueAnorak]

Deaths don’t overwhelm the NHS though.

By disregarding hospitalisations, aren’t you selecting figures to suit your opinion?

The rate of hospitalisation doesn't worry the NHS that much (unless extreme) it is high bed occupancy coupled with high rates of hospitalisation that worry them.
Discharges come into the equation and most vaccinated patients are discharged fairly quickly this time round.

Statistics » COVID-19 Hospital Activity

Statistics » COVID-19 Hospital Activity

www.england.nhs.uk

This time round, for every 1.43 admissions for 1 discharge, so its going to take a heck of a lot of admissions to put the NHS in trouble.
563 admissions on Monday were probably accompanied by around 400 discharges.
At that rate It,
It will take daily care rates of 100s of 1000s to get us in trouble.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

The rate of hospitalisation doesn't worry the NHS that much (unless extreme) it is high bed occupancy coupled with high rates of hospitalisation that worry them.
Discharges come into the equation and most vaccinated patients are discharged fairly quickly this time round.

Statistics » COVID-19 Hospital Activity

Statistics » COVID-19 Hospital Activity

www.england.nhs.uk

For every 1.43 admissions their is 1 discharge its going to take a heck of a lot of admissions to put the NHS in trouble.
563 admissions on Monday were probably accompanied by around 400 discharges.
At that rate It,
It will take daily care rates of 100s of 1000s to get us in trouble.

Indeed, so hospitalisations are the most important stat when coupled with discharges.

Deaths less so, unless you are classing them as a discharge.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Sad to hear.

Same thing happened with us this morning. We received an email from the school, five minutes before my daughter was due to start her walk to school, stating that a child in class tested positive at the weekend. Due to the short notice, she had no lessons today. Buggered up my day. I was due to go into work as I had a meeting with a director (the exec board now demand in-person meetings). Not a great look for me.

I thought school bubbles were ending on 19 July? If that's the case, then I would have thought our kids would return on that day? Not sure though.

I thought same re the 19th, but think it still depends on who your school goes with - Public Health England or the local authority?

We go away to Scotland a week on Friday, so we are just glad it wasn't next week this happened.

To be honest, I don't want her going back in then for a couple days just in case...

 

[BlueAnorak]

Macron announced the start of the fourth wave on French TV last night making the non vaccinated 2nd class citizens.
Basically you can only use public transport or, or go to a bar or restaurant or other place of entertainment from now on if you are vaccinated. You also can't work in the health or care sectors from 15th September if you're not vaccinated.
I wonder how that will play out with the French population who are much more reluctant to be vaccinated than their UK neighbours (70% v 90% take-up in surveys).

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Your showing Hospitalisations I'm talking about deaths.
Also the last point seems to be driving the slope he's describing. Talk about selecting figures to suit your opinion...

1. Most concern is about hospitalisation. But by all means, do the same comparison for deaths.

2. You've misunderstood the plot. He's only sketched the last point, but there's a whole bunch of other points leading up to it.

 

[SWP's back]

Freedom for the irresponsible to behave irresponsibly.
Freedom for the selfish.

Bore off.

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

Macron announced the start of the fourth wave on French TV last night making the non vaccinated 2nd class citizens.
Basically you can only use public transport or, or go to a bar or restaurant or other place of entertainment from now on if you are vaccinated. You also can't work in the health or care sectors from 15th September if you're not vaccinated.
I wonder how that will play out with the French population who are much more reluctant to be vaccinated than their UK neighbours (70% v 90% in surveys).

Macron is a fucking clown but maybe this will be the kick in the arse the anti vaccine bellends in France need.

 

[shemnel]

i think the vote or further discussion in the commons on whether care home staff are to be mandatorily vaccinated is today

i for one am against this, i dont believe in mandatory vaccination and dont believe in the stratification of society by mandatory vaccination by career choice, i think it's a blunt instrument that will damage a fragile employment sector, but i know plenty support it.

however, the gov consultation of 13,000 people show 57% of people oppose it also.

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

i think the vote or further discussion in the commons on whether care home staff are to be mandatorily vaccinated is today

i for one am against this, i dont believe in mandatory vaccination and dont believe in the stratification of society by mandatory vaccination by career choice, i think it's a blunt instrument that will damage a fragile employment sector, but i know plenty support it.

however, the gov consultation of 13,000 people show 57% of people oppose it also.

Nobody is forcing these dickheads to work in care homes.

Don’t want a jab? Fine. Get a new job that doesn’t involve putting vulnerable in danger.

Anti vaxxers are thick scum.

 

[M18CTID]

Groundhog day as yet again it turns out that the virus is entirely unmoved by political rhetoric.

Shockingly even the same old schtick from a new health secretary has had bugger all effect on an infectious disease.

Who would have thought it?

At least the Dutch PM apologised.

That's because the Dutch PM was a complete and utter fucking dick (and no, I'm not saying Johnson hasn't been one either at various points during the pandemic!) for lifting so many restrictions all at once which in turn led to an approx 15 fold increase in infections in the space of a little over a week.

Whatever we think of the performance of our own government during this, one thing they have been largely sensible about is the roadmap out of lockdown. The timing of each phase prior to this last one has been more or less bang on and it's only the final stage that is presenting any real problems. We can blame Delta for that (and yes, we can point fingers at the PM for it getting in when it did but as has been seen elsewhere, it was getting in anyway) and without that curveball we would be fully open now. Other countries don't appear to have as clear a roadmap to opening back up and seem to be taking a more random approach, hence why we're seeing an increase in cases in the Netherlands that is far more exponential than what we've seen over here.

 

[shemnel]

Nobody is forcing these dickheads to work in care homes.

Don’t want a jab? Fine. Get a new job that doesn’t involve putting vulnerable in danger.

Anti vaxxers are thick scum.

does 'anti vaxxer' cover absolutely everyone in the country who has hesitancy over getting it? let's say from aged 12 and up? let's not include medical exemption in this

 

[roubaixtuesday]

I wonder how that will play out with the French population who are much more reluctant to be vaccinated than their UK neighbours (70% v 90% in surveys).

The French anti-vax thing seems to be playing out as typical gallic all mouth and no trousers.

They're already up to 86% doses/ population vs our 117%, bang on the EU average, are vaccinating at twice our rate and will cover 12-17yos.

It looks like they'll end up similar to us, could be a bit better, maybe a bit worse.

 

[metalblue]

that’s been allowed for months?

Yes, but his mate and family have told him otherwise ;)

 

[mrtwiceaseason]

i think the vote or further discussion in the commons on whether care home staff are to be mandatorily vaccinated is today

i for one am against this, i dont believe in mandatory vaccination and dont believe in the stratification of society by mandatory vaccination by career choice, i think it's a blunt instrument that will damage a fragile employment sector, but i know plenty support it.

however, the gov consultation of 13,000 people show 57% of people oppose it also.

Daughter works in a private care home been told its part of their terms now, all to be jabbed by Sept 13 th

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Whatever we think of the performance of our own government during this, one thing they have been largely sensible about is the roadmap out of lockdown

I agree. Disastrous up to the last lock down, sensible since.

But the point I was making was that Rutte at least acknowledges the error. Our govt has never done that. And Johnson's policy is now the exact same as what Rutte apologised for, AFAIKT.

 

[shemnel]

Daughter works in a private care home been told its part of their terms now, all to be jabbed by Sept 13 th

still has to be passed i believe, but the amendments have been written. think it'll get voted through though yes.

 

[metalblue]

does 'anti vaxxer' cover absolutely everyone in the country who has hesitancy over getting it? let's say from aged 12 and up? let's not include medical exemption in this

Why are kids of 12 or so thinking like this? Because of shit for brain anti vaxxers spreading unfounded bollocks on the internet.

We all had that jab at school where they pricked you with this circle thing and if it went away you had to have jab - can’t remember what it was called but I remember everyone thumping folk on the arm after it. I don’t remember anyone of my class mates going “nah it’ll make me grow two heads so I decline” we just cracked on with it.

 

[mrtwiceaseason]

still has to be passed i believe, but the amendments have been written. think it'll get voted through though yes.

The letter states they are going faster than the government, as of Sept its a condition of employment all employees to have had first jab jab by Sept 13, to be double jabbed by Nov when they expect it to be a legal requirement. They think it will be 16 weeks from as soon as the law is passed